Originally Posted by tinyliny
How to know that a horse is foundation? I mean, the Appalousa is so very far from the original horses bred by the indians (and by the way, I was reading that the Nez Perce didn't orginiate them , only had them amoungst their herds)
Appy's have been breed with qh's and thbd's and ? 'til who knows what the original appys looked like. Are there any appys that descend directly from the original indian ponies without major adulteration?
Foundation means that it has a pedigree that is appy to appy over many generations. When they were trying to save the breed they did cross in arabians, morgans, QH and SOME TB. There were just not enough appys around without them. They chose horses that resembled what the original appys looked like and the arabians for endurance that they used to have. Also sometimes other breeds were added in because they had appy traits.
When the native americans horses were taken by US calvary they had no use for the small painted ponies. They were bred to drafts and large horses to make them more useful. Very sad the whole story. Unfortunetly the ApHC still to this day has not closed stud books. Most of the horses you see at breed level are not longer barely any appy in them. Most are 80+% QH.
Many of my horses go back to horses that were believed to be very close to the "original" appys. ... Ghost Wind Phantom Appaloosa
this is the pedigree for my stallion. If you follow one of the lines with Peppers Shamrock.. it will go back to desert king... than to spotted eagle who was nez pierce owned.
Foundation horses go back to the original F numbered (foundation) horses of the breed. And obviously many horses that were true indian ponies were not "registered" as this was before the registry was developed.
This type of pedigree is what I and many breeders are fighting to preserve.
This pedigree below is an example of a prominent what I like to call Quarter Appaloosa... Chocolatey Appaloosa
Everywhere you see "appaloosa" look behind it.. one of the parents is Qh and so on and so on. This horse has less than 20% appaloosa blood (and that is counting half QH) as per ApHC. It is sad that the breed that I love is again so many years later being allowed to be bred out.