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    03-02-2012, 10:29 AM
  #11
Trained
When good registered horses were going for $1500 for an unbroke two year old I could see why a mustang might look good to someone but now with horses so low why would anyone want to pay $125 for an inbred half starved horse when you can buy a halter broke gentle colt with papers for the same money? And the advantage to buying a non-feral horse is that youactually own the horse and are not subject to government inspection or restrictions.
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    03-03-2012, 01:38 PM
  #12
Foal
Why? Because once you earn the trust of a mustang, they will bond with you like no other.

These are my "inbred half starved horses"...










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    03-05-2012, 11:42 AM
  #13
Foal
"inbred half starved"? Have you ever even seen a Mustang?

Not only are these horses that can usually keep a perfect weight on only hay and pasture, due to their hardy nature, but they are far less inbred than at least 60% of the expensive show horses you're talking about. In fact, many horses are over-priced for the sole reason of being 'line-bred' (aka, 'lightly inbred'), or having double of certain famous studs in their pedigree.

Personally I would feel safer buying a BLM Mustang than a horse with papers, at least in terms of health and genetics. Mustangs are a perfect example of 'survival of the fittest' and Mother Nature weeding out the bad genes.

Oh, and prairiewindlady; your horses are gorgeous. Is the one in the first two pictures a silver bay? He/she is simply stunning.
     
    03-05-2012, 11:47 AM
  #14
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Originally Posted by Nevreme    
I myself have been considering adoption for a long time, but I have never started a horse under saddle much less gentled a wild thing. So have been leaning toward adopting an already broke horse from one of the prison programs that Tank (the awesome Mustang) came from. If you aren't 100% sure on gentling/training I would do some research on that.
You should look into the Trainer Incentive Program (aka TIP) run by the Mustang Heritage Foundation. Also, the Extreme Mustang Makeover. Through both of these programs, you can get a gentled and often saddle broke mustang. Just something to look into and consider!

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    03-05-2012, 11:52 AM
  #15
Trained
I've seen many mustangs before the BLM has a chance to get them fed up. They are seasonally starved. The BLM prohibits the introduction of any outside horses into herds and has for the last 60 years. That's pretty inbred. Mustangs show many conformation flaws that appear when horses have been inbred with no artificial selection. Every horse I own is registered and every one has good feet and gets along on just hay or pasture. If you like mustangs then fine I hope you have good luck with them but they certainly are no bargain.

In fact they should be given away instead of sold since 70% of the BLM budget goes to supporting these horses. I think it's pretty pathetic that the government is spenting hundreds of millions of dollars to save the equine equivelent of stray dogs. None of the mustangs with the exception of the Kiger mustangs in Oregon can be traced back to anything but american stock from the early 1900's.
     
    03-05-2012, 12:16 PM
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None of the mustangs with the exception of the Kiger mustangs in Oregon can be traced back to anything but american stock from the early 1900's.
This is an incorrect statement. DNA studies have been done on several of the herds and there is one herd in particular (Murderer's Creek HMA) that has more and stronger Spanish markers than do the Kigers... which actually indicates that they may have even more in common with the conquistador horses that people are so infatuated with in relation to the Kigers.

The Kiger horses were actually selected from among the horses from the Beaty's Butte HMA in the 60's or so, which means that many of the horses running in that herd can also trace their heritage father back than the 1900's.

Also, the BLM regularly does genetic variability DNA tests to ensure that there is not a dangerous level of inbreeding taking place. The Oregon division of BLM mustang management keeps a close track on the horses and how they are interrelated. They frequently switch the horses up from one HMA to another to improve genetic variability, and I know for a fact that they intentionally leave the most conformationally ideal stock on the range to improve adoptability of the young horses brought in.

All said, the horses aren't really as inbred as you might like to think. At least the ones from Oregon.
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    03-05-2012, 12:56 PM
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This is an incorrect statement. DNA studies have been done on several of the herds and there is one herd in particular (Murderer's Creek HMA) that has more and stronger Spanish markers than do the Kigers... which actually indicates that they may have even more in common with the conquistador horses that people are so infatuated with in relation to the Kigers.

The Kiger horses were actually selected from among the horses from the Beaty's Butte HMA in the 60's or so, which means that many of the horses running in that herd can also trace their heritage father back than the 1900's.

Also, the BLM regularly does genetic variability DNA tests to ensure that there is not a dangerous level of inbreeding taking place. The Oregon division of BLM mustang management keeps a close track on the horses and how they are interrelated. They frequently switch the horses up from one HMA to another to improve genetic variability, and I know for a fact that they intentionally leave the most conformationally ideal stock on the range to improve adoptability of the young horses brought in.

All said, the horses aren't really as inbred as you might like to think. At least the ones from Oregon.
i just have to stop and say that I agree with all of this and seeing as I live down the road from the one of the largest BLM holding facilities (at least on this side of the country if not in total), the BLM does a lot more for and about these horses than i'm willing to bet most people think.
     
    03-05-2012, 01:07 PM
  #18
Weanling
I don't own one, but I leased a BLM Mustang for a year and a half. What a wonderful, amazing horse that I hope to someday have the privilege to own.

The one thing I noticed about him and the other Mustang I spent a deal of time around is that they were always a little unsure outside when not with a "herd." The more people and horses that were in the area, the more comfortable they were in the outside arena or on trail rides. There was also a dog at the barn that from a distance looked like a coyote--the one I leased constantly mistook her for one and was on edge... until he realized it was just the dog.

But what loyal, loving horses! And they are so stinkin' smart it amazes me.
     
    03-05-2012, 01:15 PM
  #19
Started
You're absolutely right, they're super smart!

I put a saddle on my mustang the first time yesterday. I introduced the saddle pad, the girth, and the saddle separately. He was wary, but willing to let me put them on him and rub him with them. Then I tacked him up. He started to walk off a little when I pulled the girth up under him, but I told him 'easy' and he soon stopped and allowed me to continue girthing up. It's pretty impressive that he's essentially learned the my verbal command 'easy' means that nothing is wrong, he just needs to slow down and pay attention to the cues I'm giving him.
     
    03-05-2012, 01:51 PM
  #20
Foal
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
When good registered horses were going for $1500 for an unbroke two year old I could see why a mustang might look good to someone but now with horses so low why would anyone want to pay $125 for an inbred half starved horse when you can buy a halter broke gentle colt with papers for the same money? And the advantage to buying a non-feral horse is that youactually own the horse and are not subject to government inspection or restrictions.
I had BLM come out once to check on the well being of our horse in the first year. Now I am waiting for the paperwork that I take to the vet to get his signature saying she is in good health and once I send that back I get "title" and she is mine. Nothing too taxing or anything different then my other horses exept for the visit and a little paperwork being involved. Plus I have a wonderful horse
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