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post #21 of 35 Old 02-15-2010, 10:15 PM
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LOL again. any horse can do anything. trained conditioned and maintained the right way.
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post #22 of 35 Old 02-15-2010, 10:24 PM
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Wow. I am in awe. You must be fighting off clients with a stick if you have found a way to get a 20yo pony with ringbone to compete a full day of polocrosse. A miniature to go around a CCI*** cross country course. An OTTB with weak hocks and soundness issues to get on the ground and cut a cow.

I bow in deferance to your greatness. Share your secret?

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uhm... health restrictions apply ... i was saying in general.. any BREED can technically do anything if trained properlly.

stop getting so indepth and argumenative. its rather annoying.

theres pleny of tbs here that cut cows and run barrels.. same for arabians, draft crosses, mix bred horses... the list is endless with possibilities/capeabilities. Now saying a clydesdale can jump 5 ft courses is silly but they can technically jump , maybe not 5 ft and stay sound long , but i was BROADLY saying any thing is possible.
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But BROADLY it isn't. And I happen to think this is worth argueing over - plus you're making me laugh, so it's fun as well! Win/win!

Also - You failed to take into account gaited breeds. They can do MANY things that no other breed can possibly do. They also cannot do things that many non-gaited breed can.

A CORRECT statement would be - Any horse with decent conformation and a sound mind can do most disciplines successfully at a low level. There may be exceptions who can and do go to great heights in an unconventional discipline, but they are few and far between.

Breeds are breeds for a reason - Their type excelled at a job so people wanted to preserve it. Why do you think 99% of reiners and cutters and WP horses are QH? Why 99% of flat sprint racers are TB's? Why 99% of endurance horse are Arabs?

If someone wanted to get seriously into Endurance, would you reccomend an Arab, or a QH?

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But BROADLY it isn't. And I happen to think this is worth argueing over - plus you're making me laugh, so it's fun as well! Win/win!

Also - You failed to take into account gaited breeds. They can do MANY things that no other breed can possibly do. They also cannot do things that many non-gaited breed can.

A CORRECT statement would be - Any horse with decent conformation and a sound mind can do most disciplines successfully at a low level. There may be exceptions who can and do go to great heights in an unconventional discipline, but they are few and far between.

Breeds are breeds for a reason - Their type excelled at a job so people wanted to preserve it. Why do you think 99% of reiners and cutters and WP horses are QH? Why 99% of flat sprint racers are TB's? Why 99% of endurance horse are Arabs?

If someone wanted to get seriously into Endurance, would you reccomend an Arab, or a QH?
could you REALLY get any more Politically correct? because that's all you're doing. "correct statement." for pete's sake, any half alive horse can be taught varying things, just because a breed is known for one thing does not mean that they cannot be cross trained. case in point - TBs running barrels. i personally find it strange, however there are a great number of barrel racers out there now looking for TBs.

and mustangs are the best that nature has to offer in terms of genetics and, presumably, intelligence. a little spookish, perhaps, but that would be expected!

if horses were not as venerable as they are, there would be a LOT MORE of them needing the services of the (now not operating) kill houses.
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Politically correct? That was the last thing on my mind.

OF COURSE horses can be cross trained. I have an arab that jumps, does dressage, does MG, does gameing (zone highpoint for half a decade), works stock, plays polocrosse, and is now at a riding for the disabled school. I have never owned a horse that I have done less than say, 5 different disciplines with.

I am a HUGE believer that horses can and SHOULD do many different disciplines.

However - Saying that ANY horse can do ANYTHING is ignorant and downright false. It really is. I probably wouldn't have taken such offense if she hadn't called Kevin ignorant and then spouted that statement :]

I am in no way bashing Mustangs. We don't have them here, but we have our own equivalent - The brumby. I have competed on one for a season - he was a lovely, simply little horse. I did quite well on him. I like brumbies - they are tough little buggers. But for some reason every one I have seen has a really large head, lol. But anyway - The point is - They make great allrounders. But as a specialised competition horse, they aren't the best choice out there. They require a lot more work, time, and knowledge to get to a certain point than a purpose bred horse would. That's all Kevin said - And someone took offense and called him ignorant, which is far from the truth.

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If horses were as versatile as BP seems to think then you simply would not have disciplines that are so completely dominated by one breed - QH in cutting and reining, Arabs in Endurance, etc.

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But for some reason every one I have seen has a really large head, lol.
This made me lol. What a random statement inside another paragraph. It made me smile :-D
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Politically correct? That was the last thing on my mind.
i understand, however that had to have been one of the most Politically correct sounding statements i've ever heard... apologies, really, i was just kind of pissed at the moment for some reason or another.

anyhow, another thought i would say is i would almost rather prefer a good "all around" horse that has the best genetics available opposed to a highly specialized horse that's potentially inbred for generations and generations.
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That mustang is by far the most well trained versitle horse i've met. And PERSONABLE , he LOVES sonny.. ANY horse can do ANYTHING if trained the correct way.


100 days and this is the finished product.
simply amazing.
bridle-less and all. the horse is amazing

YouTube- Sonny Garguilo and America

You must get out more if that is the best trained horse you have met. Sonny must have worked hard to get a horse to ring its tail and be as hollowed out and scattered as that horse. Just because a person spends some time forcing a horse into some cute tricks does not mean that the horse can compete against any other horse and win. I have a corral full of horses that do everything that horse does but sit on hay and do it much better. And I would have tightened my cinch so my saddle wouldn't fall off like Ole Sonnys did. There ust not be many good trainers on Long Island.

If all you want to do is compete and not win consistently and you have alot of money to spend then go ahead and get a mustang. After enough time with a trainer you can get them to do just about anything you want to do but it is unlikely that they will be as good at it as a horse that has better conformation and is bred for the sport.

The fact is that mustangs are inbred and poorly fed and it tells in thier conformation. The worst backyard breeder produces higher quality horses than the average mustang and they are generally much gentler.

To BP: You may not want to start too many arguments for a while. I think your credibility is just about shot.

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