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    02-15-2010, 11:55 PM
  #31
Trained
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Originally Posted by spence    
anyhow, another thought I would say is I would almost rather prefer a good "all around" horse that has the best genetics available opposed to a highly specialized horse that's potentially inbred for generations and generations.
What do you think happens in an isolated community of horses when no new horses are introduced for 60 years or so? You would have a hard time finding horses more inbred than your average mustang.
     
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    02-15-2010, 11:58 PM
  #32
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anyhow, another thought I would say is I would almost rather prefer a good "all around" horse that has the best genetics available opposed to a highly specialized horse that's potentially inbred for generations and generations.
And perfectly understandable! It's hard to beat a good allround horse.

However - I don't know about the US but our brumbies here are nowhere near best genetics - Because no one is monitoring their breeding they inbreed, they breed bad to bad and often magnify undesirable traits. You might get one in twenty brumbies that are buitl anywhere near as well as your average decently bred competition horse.

Breeding for competition horses is a bit different betweent he two countries I think, as well. At least in my breed there is little to no in-breeding or line-breeding. There are generally only 5-10 tap root or foundation sires that might appear on papers more than once - And generally once on the top and once on the bottom, way back.

So generally, buying a purpose bred horse is a better chance at good genetics than a brumby/wild horse.
     
    02-16-2010, 05:50 AM
  #33
Showing
Kevin and WS are right. Mustangs are good all around horses. Mine are trail horses, ranch horses, roping horses. They are decent at that. Could either of them run an 18 second barrel time? Heck no. Could either of them score a 200 cutting a cow? Heck no, and 99.999% of mustangs out there couldn't no matter what training they got. Dobe will watch a cow, he learned after months and months of training and having his butt rode off one winter every day in a feedlot, but no matter how much training he gets, he is just not built to be quick and get down in the ground like a cutting bred QH and he gets beat sometimes. Not his fault, not my fault, it's just a fact of life that he will never be as good as my brothers Mr San Peppy/Doc O'Lena QH.

I will say again; if looking for a fun horse to have with no real goals, a mustang might make a good partner but if looking for something on which to be competative at gaming and cow work, a QH or Paint or Appy is the way to go. With mustangs, maybe 1 in every 10,000 would be able to be competative. With domestic breeds, it would average 1 in every 10. Most normal people would not be willing to spend the time and money to sort through those 10,000 to find the one with real potential and then spend another small fortune finding and paying a trainer that is capable of bringing out that potential. It just isn't practical for your average rider/owner, especially one who wants to compete.

As for the vids that BP posted. That is one of the main problems with those mustang trainer challenges. So many people concentrate on putting those flashy tricks on a horse and skip over a ton of the basic foundation work. The reason that the horse is wringing his tail is that the rider taught him to yeild to the pain of the spur, not the pressure of the leg. Not much of a horseman IMHO. If he would teach a horse to yield and leg him over and never use a spur, then I might begin to be impressed.
     
    02-16-2010, 06:46 AM
  #34
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
I have it on good authority that the reason some of the mustangs in Idaho are bigger and of higher quality is that some of the ranchers would (or still do) go out and shoot the stallions and put thier own higher quality stallions out with them. The same things happened in Oregon and Northern Nevada.

I don't know much about mustangs (never really had any interest), so I am confused about what exactly the point of doing that would be? I thought that most ranchers found mustangs to be a nuisance, and why would they turn out their better stallion and risk it getting hurt? Do they gather up the foals and use them for themselves? If so, why don't they just get some nice mares and breed their stud to a nice mare to get a nice foal instead of breeding their stud to an unknown mare and getting an unknown foal.
     
    02-16-2010, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by QHDragon    
I don't know much about mustangs (never really had any interest), so I am confused about what exactly the point of doing that would be? I thought that most ranchers found mustangs to be a nuisance, and why would they turn out their better stallion and risk it getting hurt? Do they gather up the foals and use them for themselves? If so, why don't they just get some nice mares and breed their stud to a nice mare to get a nice foal instead of breeding their stud to an unknown mare and getting an unknown foal.
I don't think they are putting out money earning stallions just better than the mustangs. Alot of land in the west is owned by the federal government and it is illegal to get rid of the entire herd so the ranchers are going to have to put up with them anyway. I would also imagine that there were a few that were captured without the BLM knowledge. The penalty now is stiff enough that I doubt anybody takes the risk now but you can definitely see the influences in some of the horses.
     

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