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    12-02-2008, 01:58 PM
Talking Breed & Color markings

Ok I know yall are going to laugh at this one... but I am trying to figure out what color and breed my new horse is. Ok now I am laughing at myself but its ok..

Here are the things I know about Rusty:

He is a overo paint, but I am not good at classifying some colors... so I look at him at a loss. The friend I got him from referred to him as a splash paint, and from the research I have done, is the overo gene. So I have that part down... but the actual color is what I am stumped on.

Now about his blood line... I have no idea about the sire... but the dam was the daughter or grand daughter of rachett. When I look up rachett.. he is listed as a paint, but on down his line are TB and OH's. I know that's a tough question.. but I have heard some people say that paints are in a class of their own... but yet you have paints in almost every breed.. so that leaves me scratching my head lol. I have been referring to him as a QH... but I just want to be as accruate as possiable when I say that!

My friend took him because of the condition he was in, and had started putting weight on him... she already has a full herd though, and passed him on to me because I was looking at the time after having to give up my mare.

I would just like to know this for my own personal knowledge of him.
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    12-02-2008, 03:18 PM
I forgot to attach a picture of him... he still needs some tlc, but we will get there!

All the pictures I have so far are either directly in the sun, or in the shade on a cloudy day. I will try to get some better ones this afternoon.
Its almost a rose color when your next to him...
    12-02-2008, 04:24 PM
He is a an overo pattern called sabino. Sabino usually expresses itself as white legs and a bald face with speckled and roan markings up into the body. Sabino occasionally appears differently but your horse is a text book sabino. Did he come with any registration papers? If he didn't come with American Paint Horse Association papers you could at least register him with the Pinto Horse Association of America based on his coloration. You hcan get a registration application at Rachett is an older but very well known paint (APHA) bloodline. You should probably not refer to him as a QH but rather a grade paint or pinto. He will be pretty when you get him fattened up and conditioned!
    12-02-2008, 05:32 PM
Hi Laura,
Thank you so much for that info! So can paints that are registered... say for example a AQH be registered at both the Paint Horse association, and the AQHA?

Wow... before I was just typing in splash paint or overo paint, and could not find anything close to him... I just typed in sabino overo... and wow!

No he did not come with any papers :(

Well that would explain why my friend kept saying paint... I guess I got stuck on QH and TB after looking up Rachett.

I cannot wait to see what he will look like once he gets back to full health, and his color comes out real good!

Thank you so much for the info, it was much needed!
    12-02-2008, 07:29 PM
A paint is a breed, a pinto is a colour in a breed like QH or somethin. He's looks like a QH horse to me!
    12-02-2008, 08:34 PM
LauraB is completely correct! And she did a great job with the color explination!

As for the well known "Ratchett", he was what we call a "Frame Overo" with Sorrel coloring.

As for the types of registered paints with the APHA, you have "Regular Registered" Paints, which have atleast the minimal white coloring no less then 2" on the body, then you have the Registered Paints who lack the white color required to be registered as regular paints, registered as "Solid Breed" Paints. Solid breed paints, a while back were referred to as "Breed Stock" Paints. Theres a little more for you!
    12-02-2008, 09:21 PM
Yes, there are a few horses that are registered with both the AQHA and APHA. They are able to be registered with both associations because they are 100% quarter horse bloodlines but with overo coloration. If you do not have a a breeder's certificate or registration papers for your horse he NOT eligible for APHA or AQHA. Your only opportinity for breed registration is still the Pinto Horse Association of America (PtHA). PtHA would classify him as "stock type" due to his paint and quarterhorse bloodlines. Do not expect his color to darken much when he is in better condition. Sabinos tend to be washed out in color just like he is now. If you want to darken him slightly Black as Knight or parprika may help. He will be beautiful with or without papers and whether he is light or dark. To be correct you should call him a pinto. How old is he?
    12-02-2008, 11:53 PM
Originally Posted by LauraB    
Yes, there are a few horses that are registered with both the AQHA and APHA. They are able to be registered with both associations because they are 100% quarter horse bloodlines but with overo coloration.
The APHA added a 'one parent must be a Paint rule' in 2005, though, which affects registration of these 'crop outs'... so the only way to produce a dually registerable foal (born 2005 or after) is to have at least one parent that is dually registered.

You can read about the rule change at: APHA.Com - Pressroom
    12-03-2008, 11:49 AM
Yall have helped me so much with this, thank you :)
Laura... he is 5 years old. I have heard of using paprika.. but I didnt know if it would work or not... lol I will try that! I love him either way.. papers or no papers. He has a very gentle personality, that's what I fell in love with! When I am out there with him he follows me, and when I stop he stops just a couple feet behind me. We are still getting to know each other... but so far so good.
I am looking forward to many years with him :) I am also looking forward to posting some pictures of him once he is back to 100 % :) befores and afters...
What color do yall think his markings are... white and ?
    12-03-2008, 01:08 PM
He's a chesnut sabino. Cool markings :)

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