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post #71 of 96 Old 01-09-2012, 02:31 PM
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Hiya, Im from the UK and to be honest you don't see any TB's jumping at a serious level. They just don't seem to be able to cope with the stress of serious competing. I have nothing against TB but if your serious about your jumping then you are better of looking at Hannoverians, Holsiteners, Oldenburgs, Iam fortunate enough to have just brought a Zangersheide mare and got her sent over from Holland to the UK, she's lovely, and boy can she jump!!!Zangersheides are world reknown for their jumping ability but they are rare and usually expensive, but theses Z horses are worth it. Alot of horses jumped on the UK curcit are either warmbloods or Irish sports. Good luck getting a showjumper for yourself :) Mia x
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post #72 of 96 Old 01-09-2012, 02:43 PM
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"You don't see any TB's jumping at a serious level. They just don't seem to be able to cope with the stress of serious competing."

...Really?
Tell that to Gem Twist.
This thoroughbred has won countless grand prixs WORLDWIDE and has come home with silver medals from 2 Olympic Games.

They have just as much ability as the warmbloods out there.
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There are lots of successful serious TB jumpers, but I agree if you have the income, it's not the breed that you would opt for. However the OP is not looking to seriously jump, if you read the initial post and the heights she is wanting to achieve.
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post #74 of 96 Old 01-09-2012, 02:52 PM
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WhatEVER breeds you look at make sure that the horse likes to jump. It's NO FUN to point your horse towards a jump and only YOU end up on the other side, LOL!!
Also you're going to want 16"2hh or a little taller bc you may want to switch from Hunter to Jumper, and shorter horses have problems with the height and width in the upper level shows.
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"Also you're going to want 16"2hh or a little taller bc you may want to switch from Hunter to Jumper, and shorter horses have problems with the height and width in the upper level shows."

Not true at all.
There are tons of horses 16hh and UNDER who successfully compete and win at the highest levels of jumping.
Teddy O'Connor was one such "little horse". He was 14.1hh and still did the highest level of eventing, he placed 3rd in the Rolex Kentucky event.
So to say a horse smaller than 16.2 can't jump the height or the width is a very niave statement.
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wow, well it just goes to show you just how much the right amount of passion and heart can make up for less than ideal conformation. Conformationally Hickstead was not the greatest - not terrible, but not quite right for his discipline - and yet look at his performances.

IMO the horse's love of jumping is the most important part of the equation. Conformation is of course still important but you can't have a brilliant performer without the heart for it. Heart makes up for a huge amount whereas all the fantastic conformation in the world will never make up for a lack of heart. The love of it is what makes a good horse great.

You can have a horse that could jump the moon but just doesn't want to - that horse will never excel in the discipline, no matter how hard you try. Whereas you can also have a horse that isn't really physically ideal, but that wants to jump whatever you put in front of it, and THAT horse may go on to become a superstar, whereas the horse that doesn't want to do it will never succeed.
Totally agree! I know of horses with terrible conformation and yet are very very sound and great at what they do, and are actually sounder than some horses with fantastic conformation. Funny how it works out that way :)
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blush, I agree that smaller horses CAN jump well, but they are really suited for junior riders. But consider--if you're looking for a good partner you'll want them to fit the most successful model. Just like football players--there are many smaller guys that play pro, but many don't make the jump from college bc they are competing with the 6' and over players who can run faster, weigh more and can hit harder.
"Sea Biscuit", for example, was a GREAT race horse. He beat "War Admiral" who was easily more than one hand taller, and had a longer stride. His heart also stopped at 14yo. I think it can take a toll on a smaller horse, just like the previous post about OTTB's who start falling apart when THEY are jumped heavily, due to too much leg stress in their racing careers.
We've all seen folks with a very nice horse, but you're thinking, too small, wrong breed or wrong build for the discipline. Since the OP is shopping, I thought I'd suggest looking for height, in the case that she wants to show higher and wider, OR wants to sell (or show with a professional showman) in the future. I think it's important to consider the future for your HORSE, too, IMHO.
There are ALWAYS shows with classes that include jumping for pretty much every breed, even competitions that include jumping for gaited, even though gaited horses don't really jump well. If you look at the Olympic level horses, very few of them are small.
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Hiya, Im from the UK and to be honest you don't see any TB's jumping at a serious level. They just don't seem to be able to cope with the stress of serious competing.
TB's were *the* breed used for jumping before warmbloods became popular. There are still lots of them in eventing - which by all accounts puts even more stress on a horse's joints.
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post #79 of 96 Old 01-09-2012, 09:23 PM
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The best breeds are often Warmbloods or WB Crosses. What you want to look for in a jumping horse is a lot of bone, a good mind, and conformation designed for jumping.

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post #80 of 96 Old 01-09-2012, 10:17 PM
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My horse is a thoroughbred and I do eventing with him and were jumping around 3'3 now with the potential to go much higher. I love the thoroughbreds because they have such nice builds and if you find the right one that really bonds with you you'll do fabulous in the show ring. They really pick their people and once they bond with you they will put their heart and soul into everything you ask them to do.
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