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    09-08-2008, 09:47 PM
  #1
Foal
Buckskin? Dun? or Dunskin?

Hello~ I'm hoping there are some color experts on here
So I bought him as a buckskin, but I've been looking around online and think he might be dun.. And someone else said he might be a dunskin?!
Unfortunately I don't know anything about his parents. The people I got him from didn't know who his sire is, but I think they know the dam.
Can anyone help me out? :roll:
What color is he??


He has a dorsal stripe



But he doesn't have any leg barring


He has ear tips


And not all of his legs have the darker points that buckskins usually have


His mane and tail have light blondish streaks. Just seems like all the buckskins I've seen have all dark mane and distinct black stockings. Some have dorsal stripes and some don't. The more research I do the more confused I get!



Is he a buckskin? A dun?

     
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    09-08-2008, 09:57 PM
  #2
Yearling
Maybe a dunskin?
     
    09-09-2008, 05:53 AM
  #3
Showing
I think he's a dunskin or dun- that dorsal stripe gives it away! ;)
     
    09-09-2008, 08:35 AM
  #4
Foal
I think he could be a dunskin he's really purrdy though =]
     
    09-09-2008, 09:35 AM
  #5
Green Broke
Here is a little color lesson....

A buckskin is basically a bay that has a single dilute cream gene which acts on the color by making it 'lighter' (just like it would make a chestnut into a palomino). If the 'bay' were to have two dilute genes it would end up being a perlino (and the chestnut would be a cremello).

The "dun" factor also dilutes the color but it lightens from the knee area up towards the backbone, leaving color on the backbone, or what we call a dorsal stripe. So in order for a horse to genetically be a dun, it must have a dorsal stripe.

Some "bay" horses can have a single dilute cream gene AND the dun factor, making it a dunskin.

So since your horse has a dorsal stripe he's definitely not a buckskin. He could be a dun or a dunskin.

Either way, he's adorable!
     
    09-09-2008, 06:45 PM
  #6
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by upnover
So since your horse has a dorsal stripe he's definitely not a buckskin. He could be a dun or a dunskin.

Either way, he's adorable!
thankyou :) I'll love him no matter what he is :)

Is it a true dorsal stripe or is it counter shading?

http://www.equinecolor.com/photos/counterdorsal.jpg



The other horse( Rowdy, a bay roan) looks like he has countershading.. unfortunately not the best shot of Amigo's stripe.


Also, is it even possible to register a horse as 'dunskin' or would it just be one or the other? Buttermilk buckskin or Buttermilk dun?

As of right now he isn't registered anywhere and I wanted to get him some sort of papers, if nothing else just a generic registration to prove he's mine. And to help with identification incase he ever got out or was stolen (hopefully never happens!!)
     
    09-09-2008, 07:34 PM
  #7
Green Broke
You know it is a little faint.... but in my opinion (OPINION! :)) I think it's too pronounced (faint as it is) to be countershading. Most of the countershading I've seen is a little blurrier around the edges. But, I'm not an expert in it! And it's hard to tell from a picture.

Can you register a horse as "buttermilk" something? I thought either it was a buckskin or a dun, what "kind" didn't matter. And is "buttermilk" a technical term? I thought it was something people used to describe a lighter colored buckskin. Like I said, not an expert in the registry/details! I just took an extensive genetics class in college. :) If all else fails, could you register him as a paint? He's definitely a paint! :)
     
    09-09-2008, 07:49 PM
  #8
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by upnover
If all else fails, could you register him as a paint? He's definitely a paint! :)
haha I never even thought to register him as a paint! I can't go wrong there.. Well he's actually a quarter horse/paint so I couldn't even get full credit for it then either!
I think you're right, not sure you can do the 'buttermilk' thing in registering.
I value your opinion...as I took NO genetics classes in college whatsoever hahaha I went for graphic design so you'd think I'd know about color?? Oh well!
For now, I'll stick with calling him a Dunskin. That way I don't have to completely commit to either color Hopefully 'dunskin' will count if/when I register him. I don't really have any info on his parents so I don't think I would be able to register in any major associations anyways.

Thankyou so much for all your help :) :)
     
    09-09-2008, 09:09 PM
  #9
Yearling
Actually, an aqha x apha horses can be registered as a full paint.
     
    09-09-2008, 09:21 PM
  #10
Green Broke
Hes adorable!
     

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