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  • Can a sooty bucksking have slight leg barring
  • Can a buckskin have a white stripe down their back

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    01-09-2009, 01:16 PM
  #11
Green Broke
I'm sure I'm wrong, but isn't the zebra stripes on a grulla's legs a huge factor in it being a grulla?
     
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    01-09-2009, 01:27 PM
  #12
Started
I'd say sooty buckskin.
     
    01-09-2009, 01:52 PM
  #13
Cat
Green Broke
This is one of those that the white is covoring too many of the indicators so you are not going to be able to tell just by his current pictures. A smutty buckskin and a grullo (black dun) can look identical.

Duns do have several indicators, however not all dun horses have all those indicators. These include dorsal, leg barring, shoulder shading, and a face mask. However - the smutty/sooty gene that causes countershading can create an illusion of these on a non-dun horse. On top of that - This horse has white where a lot of those indicators would be.

Do you have pictures of the parents (I don't trust registered colors - those can be wrong)? They can be a clue. Otherwise you will need a DNA test to know for sure.

Somersetfarms - Yes, grullo is a black-based horse with the dun gene - but the dun gene is also a dilution gene and will dilute the black coat down. I've seen grullos A very similar color. You can see some at the bottom of this page:
Equine Color - Horse & Pony Color Genetics Information
     
    01-09-2009, 02:25 PM
  #14
Started
Gulla can be a mousy color... here is the pic off from AQHA
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    01-09-2009, 02:28 PM
  #15
Started
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Originally Posted by Moxie    
I'm sure I'm wrong, but isn't the zebra stripes on a grulla's legs a huge factor in it being a grulla?
dun factor can come in many forms... some have more then others meaning the stripes may be more pronounced on some then on others, but yes you are right.

Dark points (or darker red in red duns) on ears, face (or cobwebbing), shading on shoulders
Zebra strips


But all must have dorsal strips.

From IBHA
http://www.ibha.net/colors.htm
Grulla

Grulla is also an intense color. The body color can be mouse, blue, dove or slate colored, with dark sepia to black points. Grulla (pronounced grew-yah) has no white hairs mixed in the body hairs. Grulla horses have the dorsal and shoulder stripes, and leg barring.


Here is a little info from AQHA:
AQHA - COLOR GALLERY
     
    01-09-2009, 02:54 PM
  #16
Showing
I think he's a dun, because of the dorsal stripe on his back. ;) Buckskins don't have those.
     
    01-09-2009, 07:48 PM
  #17
Yearling
Also dun doesn't shine and buckskin can so I think he's dun too.
     
    01-09-2009, 08:56 PM
  #18
Cat
Green Broke
Ponyboy - not sure what you are talking about "shine".

Poptartshop - actually buckskins can have a stripe going down their back - its call countershading and can easily be confused with a real dorsal. Countershading is an effect of the smutty/sooty gene.

Oh - not sure if the OP wants to do this, but I know some people shaved their duns' dorsals down to the skin - just one spot of it. The stripe went down to the skin, but the stripes that were due to countershading did not go to the skin. I do not know if this is true for all, but it might be.
     
    01-09-2009, 09:40 PM
  #19
Weanling
I don't have pictures of his mom or dad I know his dad is a black tobiano and that he's the only offspring that isnt a black/tobiano . As far as the dam I know she's a qh that's all .
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    01-09-2009, 09:42 PM
  #20
Weanling
I don't have pictures of his mom or dad I know his dad is a black tobiano and that he's the only offspring that isnt a black/tobiano . As far as the dam I know she's a qh that's all .
I have always though that he was too mousy for a buckskin but that's just my opinion I have always had appys and thier colors are just as they apper but I have become colbys rider I just wanted everyones opinion on his color never thought Dun though
     

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