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    04-22-2010, 11:21 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by masatisan    
He is a purebred Canadien horse, chances are he's registered as plain old bay, brown, or black. Not likely as chestnut because both his parents were black. I wish I had a full body picture of him for comparison, but I don't.
If his parents were black and he's not chestnut then black or possibly brown are the only colors he can be. Blacks cannot pass on Agouti or they would be bay themselves. It's so much easier when you know the parents, haha.

I'm having this issue with my Paint filly. Her head is black, but her flank patches look COMPLETELY "bay" in color (a burnished mahogany color). They never look black. But both her parents were supposedly black, so it's the only possible color outside of chestnut. Or maybe brown, I don't fully understand how brown works, I know it's a type of agouti, so I'm assuming you actually NEED a brown horse to produce one or it would display physically.

I think it's safe to say that regardless, the OP's horse IS a red base. The question is just between him being a liver chestnut or a sooty palomino.
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    04-23-2010, 01:43 AM
I don't know if the color is coming through differently on my computer, but based on what's showing for me I would say whoever said he's palomino, doesn't know what a palomino is (and the fact they called him 'purebred palomino' automatically makes them lose credit). Looks like a liver chestnut to me.
    04-23-2010, 02:06 AM
Green Broke
Probably slightly off topic, but just for kicks, here is a neighbor's Foxtrotter that I believe is sooty palomino.
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    04-23-2010, 05:57 AM
Green Broke
I am agreeing with MacabreMikolaj i'm definitely thinking sooty palomino. Sure it looks nothing like palomino but if you look at the pictures of dark palomino it has those highlights exactly where your horse does. So it just makes sense for me. On the color game we were playing there is a sooty palomino that looks alot like your horse. So that's my say so.
    04-23-2010, 05:22 PM
Green Broke
Sooty palomino, looks to me, more mottled than that. I think he is liver chestnut (brown)
    04-25-2010, 12:17 AM
I agree trailhorserider I think your neighbor's horse looks sooty palomino, I do NOT think the OP's horse is palomino.
    04-25-2010, 04:07 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by haviris    
I agree trailhorserider I think your neighbor's horse looks sooty palomino, I do NOT think the OP's horse is palomino.
Sooty palomino is not a specific color. This horse has been genetically proven to be palomino:

He is virtually the spitting image of the OP's horse. Sooty can easily make palomino unrecognizable, so whoever said he was a palomino was probably basing their information off his genetics, not just randomly saying he's palomino without knowing what it is.
    04-25-2010, 07:57 AM
Thanks again for all the insights, everyone!

Someday I'll have to get him color tested. I've seen a lot of liver chestnuts, from a distance and up close, but the pic of the dark sooty stallion really makes me wonder. I'm home from school for the weekend, so during Scout's grooming yesterday I was really looking at the highlights, especially around his legs, making sure that it wasn't a trick of the light or camera angle or something, but it's definitely a splotch of lighter hair all the way down the hair shaft. The main difference I'm seeing between him and the sooty Morgan posted is that the Morgan looks like he still has some silver/white strands in his mane and tail. Scout's is solid very dark brown, no white/grey strands. Next time I see the gal that commented about him being palomino I'll have to fish for more info, ha ha. One of the 4-H leaders in my area is related to some previous owners as well, maybe she can help me out on some color history. I know one thing, if I call him a sooty palomino without the color test to back it up, we're going to get some interesting looks, ha ha I'm not sure most of the judges at the puny little events that I ride would know that palomino could express that way!

Like the saying goes, a good horse is any color, and Scout's a darn good horse in my book. This sure makes an opportunity for me to learn something new and dust off what I did know about color!

Thanks again, everyone!
    04-25-2010, 09:21 AM
In response to that stallion having some grey hairs, there was another horse on the page I posted, a mare, who does not.

I apologize for not being able to get the larger versions, I think the link died. But that is a palomino, no grey hairs. With the first one, he was golden for much longer. This mare, as documented below, went dark VERY fast, and since we don't know how the sooty gene works really, that may have something to do with it.
That is the mare at birth. Normal, right?
As a yearling. Not as normal.
As a two year old, she looked more palomino, but darkened quickly, as shown.
Just goes to show, you really can't judge a horse a palomino or not unless you owned them from birth or color test them haha.
But the point is, that mare does not have the greys interspersed.
I wish I had saved the large version of those pictures before the links broke, you can see it better.
Oh well.
    04-25-2010, 09:38 AM
And, just for fun, on the opposite end of the spectrum, you have this horse:
Coral Forest
She looks grey. But nope, she's also a palomino, just without any gold in her coat.

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