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post #31 of 46 Old 07-22-2013, 05:54 PM
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My favorite breed by far! But I always seem to get stuck owning and showing the solids :P
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post #32 of 46 Old 07-22-2013, 06:24 PM
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post #33 of 46 Old 07-23-2013, 02:09 PM
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I've worked with a young paint mare who is incredibly smart, stubborn, and can get dangerous if she doesn't want to work. I've also worked with a big, sweet paint gelding who's a do-all, excellent, baby of a horse. Our stable does tend to get bratty paint horses, but I think that this is only because they're either miniatures or just incredibly intelligent. I think it has more to do with the horse itself than with the coloring.
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post #34 of 46 Old 07-23-2013, 03:31 PM
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Very true. In fact it was the AQHA refusal to allow Quarter horses with the tobiano gene or a white QH to be registered as a Quarter Horse that resulted in the creation of the APHA back in the 60's by owners of paint QH (which the AQHA said couldn't be registered as a QH since no horse QH would have the tobiano gene....according to the AQHA). So they are no different to train than another QH.
In fact I remember being given my first horse (that was "mine" not just one of the "families" horses) which was a QH, but the breeder sold her dirt cheap. Stallion and mare were both foundation QH registered with the AQHA, but that little filly was white (creamy yellow mane and tail) so according to the AQHA (at the time) could not have been a QH. There were also an occasional "paint" offspring that couldn't be registered with the AQHA, but he could get a better price for them (because let's face it....they do look nice ).
What's humorous is that today, thanks to the ability to check the genetics, the AQHA has had to accept that there are QH that ARE white and some do have the tobiano gene so that they have to admit that there are "paint" Quarter Horses. If they had not be stupid about it 60 years ago then the APHA might not ever have been created.
QH purests, though, would love to breed those pesky Paint genes out.....
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Despite my name on this forum my family has raised QH's for almost 70 years.
Old time breeders and there are some still around would either give away or destroy any foal born with too much white on it. Such a horse was a disgrace to any breeding program and it is why in the past Cremello and Perlino QH's were registered as paints without any spots.
I currently own a registered QH mare that the original breeder did not accurately portray the white markings on her legs. The registration papers show the white ending lower on her legs than it actually does
I still know a few breeders and trainers that refuse to work with Paints or Appys. This ridiculous prejudice is still around but not as widespread as it once was.
With Paints being the second largest registration , most breeders and trainers have come to their senses. Just not the one the OP was posting about. Shalom
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I've had some bad experiences with paints myself, but refusing to train one is really obnoxiously stupid. We had a paint a few years ago that was nasty AND goofy he used to bite you every time you glanced away from him and he was really pushy. But that was his personality not because he was a paint! My current paint (Cody) is an absolute sweetheart. He rests his head on my shoulder all the time and licks me lol :) Cody also feels like a teddy bear after a bath (LITERALLY!!!! ;D )
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QH purests, though, would love to breed those pesky Paint genes out.....
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The purest would actually have accepted that these are QH and not try to say that the offspring of a registered foundation mare bred to a registered foundation stallion was not a QH (that's just pure ignorance).

Of course the AQHA reason for creating the restriction (getting rid of lethal white syndrome) and holding steadfast to it for decades until genetics forced their hand was pretty ignorant too. Although you'll still find people that will argue that it still can't be a quarter horse if it's a paint (they just ignore the genetics).

I was a QH purest in that I knew that a horse was a still QH if it's parents were both QH even if it was a paint. I've always scratched my head over them doing the "appendix" QH. That's less QH because it's the result of a cross breeding with a TB. The purest want just the tried, true, strong, steady, and ever dependable foundation QH. No matter what color or colors it might be.
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The purest would actually have accepted that these are QH and not try to say that the offspring of a registered foundation mare bred to a registered foundation stallion was not a QH (that's just pure ignorance).

Of course the AQHA reason for creating the restriction (getting rid of lethal white syndrome) and holding steadfast to it for decades until genetics forced their hand was pretty ignorant too. Although you'll still find people that will argue that it still can't be a quarter horse if it's a paint (they just ignore the genetics).

I was a QH purest in that I knew that a horse was a still QH if it's parents were both QH even if it was a paint. I've always scratched my head over them doing the "appendix" QH. That's less QH because it's the result of a cross breeding with a TB. The purest want just the tried, true, strong, steady, and ever dependable foundation QH. No matter what color or colors it might be.
I applaud your view. Honestly, you're the first QH "purest" that I've heard that from. All the ones I know stand by the white=undesireable trait thinking.
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post #40 of 46 Old 07-23-2013, 05:57 PM
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I applaud your view. Honestly, you're the first QH "purest" that I've heard that from. All the ones I know stand by the white=undesireable trait thinking.
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In their mind they're purest, but they aren't. These are the same people who want to break out the QH into specialized versions of the breed (some developed for cutting, some for roping, some for racing, etc....) and adding new blood from outside the breed to improve certain traits (i.e. The appendix QH).
Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge fan to cross breeding and improving horses, but you can't call yourself a purest if you're wanting to change the breed into what it wasn't created as/for. Some breeders often do this within a breed by breeding only for the traits desired at the lose of other traits that often made for a better horse (but not for show).
The old foundation QH was a wonderful animal that you could ride all day doing a hard days work. It was a very versatile animal that did well at a variety of functions. You can still find them today. Yet many breeders are breeding for specialties vs keeping the great "all around" work horse that was the QH. Today you can find them bred for cutting, or barrel racing, or roping, etc..... because people want a horse that excels in the specific area more than the all around horse that is what was used when these competitions first started. It's all about having a horse that's better at one thing more so that good at all things.
Of course I'm just an old timer (even though I'm still under 60 ) that remembered my QH that I got at 14 as a great horse for working cattle (the reason we had some QH) and riding long distances, hunting off of and racing my uncles truck to the curve in the road . Back then when there was a competition it was done with the horses you worked with. Some were better then others at different things. There wasn't these big money shows and competitions for most of us. It was my working horse against your working horse for bragging rights . None of those horse was going to win any of the big competitions they have today, but they could be depended on to so it all and do it all very, very well.
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