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        04-08-2010, 11:02 AM
      #11
    Yearling
    And, you can get a good horse for dirt cheap now- so price doesn't matter. I haven't paid a dime for any of my horses- they were all rescues, and awesome horses.
         
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        04-08-2010, 11:08 AM
      #12
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by draftrider    
    So just ignore what anyone says. Work with your horse, learn to better your ride, and enter. If you don't win, look at why. There has to be another reason- and like My2geldings said, if you have a flashy horse, they will remember you- good or bad.
    But what you are saying agrees with what we are saying. When you do not win it probably does not have to do with your horse not being the right color.

    It has to do with your horse not being suitable for the sport. Though I see nothing wrong with you doing barrel racing with your draft, but when you do not win because you are slower and less nimble it is not because they hate drafts but because you horse is slower and less nimble.

    There are for sure some rude people out there. That does not mean the judge is.


    I guess it just gets frustrating to hear someone whine because 'they hate my horse because he is <insert breed or color or size or whatever here> and that is why I did not win' when in honesty they did not win because there were enough horses & riders that were better out there. A paint who jumps with one leg dangling is not winning because of his leg dangling not because he is a paint, in other words. (OP, not saying your paint does this, just an example.)
         
        04-08-2010, 04:42 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    But what you are saying agrees with what we are saying. When you do not win it probably does not have to do with your horse not being the right color.

    It has to do with your horse not being suitable for the sport. Though I see nothing wrong with you doing barrel racing with your draft, but when you do not win because you are slower and less nimble it is not because they hate drafts but because you horse is slower and less nimble.

    There are for sure some rude people out there. That does not mean the judge is.


    I guess it just gets frustrating to hear someone whine because 'they hate my horse because he is <insert breed or color or size or whatever here> and that is why I did not win' when in honesty they did not win because there were enough horses & riders that were better out there. A paint who jumps with one leg dangling is not winning because of his leg dangling not because he is a paint, in other words. (OP, not saying your paint does this, just an example.)
    i have heard people say well he's two colored why would you even bother in the english world.
    Or don't buy that horse its a paint. Idk why you would even consider that.
    So yes I have heard discrimination right to my face.they have never seen the horse and have an opinion.
    If he was a bad jumper then it would be totally different.

    And I have seen scorecards where the judge took off for color because it wasnt considered "classy".

    And im going to keep riding him and show people that he can do it and his color has nothing on him.
         
        04-08-2010, 04:58 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    Im sorry but has anyone ever seen the film moonshine alexander? Cause this thread totally reminded me of it.

    At least you have the guts to compete. If you keep at it and improve on what you can then i'm sure it'll soon shut them up
         
        04-08-2010, 06:42 PM
      #15
    Yearling
    There is discrimination in every sport where judges decide the winner. Not really much you can do about it.
         
        04-08-2010, 06:51 PM
      #16
    Weanling
    Prove them wrong.

    When my sister was in high school she was 5'2" tall. She was laughed at so hard by other basketball teams, until she completely blew them away with her moves and her shooting ability. She turned out to be one of the most recognizable basketball players in our league because she wasn't what they thought she could be...

    So, screw them...if they look down upon you for having a colorful horse, go out there and show off the training. It doesn't matter either way, you will be remember when everyone else is forgotten because of the horse.

    Yes, the Moondance Alexander movie is exactly what I thought of too!
         
        04-08-2010, 07:12 PM
      #17
    Trained
    I will always remember working out for Champion Arab/Arab Derivative at a local show one year. I was so proud of Wildey, we never show, and he hadn't put a foot wrong all day. It was between myself and a lady on a Derivative. Wildey did a brilliant workout - Not a foot wrong. So did the other horse.

    She gave champion to the other horse - When I asked for her comments, she said that they both did such wonderful workouts, but she gave it to the Derivative because it had better shoulder and therefore better movement because of the non-arab half. In the Arab ring. She awarded champion to the other horse because of it's non Arab characteristics.

    There is a lot of prejudice aroundhere about Arabs, especially in the show ring. It just means you have to work twice as hard to get where you want to be.

    I also remember taking Wildey to Bungendore Show to do the sporting for the first time. At these shows the sporting is dominated by middle aged men on big Stockhorses and Quarter Horses. In came a 16yo girl on a little Arab - Boy did I get some looks!

    And boy did I get some looks when I won the open Bending, beating all the men on their big horses. I ended up winning that event three years in a row.

    All it does is make victory sweeter :]
         
        04-08-2010, 07:28 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fowl Play    
    Prove them wrong.

    When my sister was in high school she was 5'2" tall. She was laughed at so hard by other basketball teams, until she completely blew them away with her moves and her shooting ability. She turned out to be one of the most recognizable basketball players in our league because she wasn't what they thought she could be...

    So, screw them...if they look down upon you for having a colorful horse, go out there and show off the training. It doesn't matter either way, you will be remember when everyone else is forgotten because of the horse.

    Yes, the Moondance Alexander movie is exactly what I thought of too!

    ^^^ 100% agree. Let this motivate you, not dishearten you. When I was a teenager and showing, I had this one man (who today is very well respected in the training world, so I cannot mention names) who was judging in halter classes. At the time I was showing a fantastic appaloosa gelding who ALWAYS placed very, very well under halter, with the exception of any time I ever showed under this particular judge - we never placed. On one occasion when my horse had performed beautifully and I walked out of the class empty handed, I questioned the judge directly about it, and was told "I will never place your horse in a class. I don't like appaloosas anyways, and I think your horse is ugly." I'm sure it took a lot of guts on that grown man's part to make a 13 year old little girl cry like that, and I was furious for a while. I probably could have told someone what he said to me and something would have been done about it (and prevented him from having his big-name lucrative career, ahhhh hindsight!) but the point is, I let it motivate me instead of get to me. I worked even harder, longer, than anyone else, and doubled the number of ribbons I brought home with my "ugly" appy. The thing is, opinions are like, well, you know. Not everyone will like what you've got - and some people may be biased against your horse due to breed or color - but let that give you a reason to prove them wrong!
         
        04-08-2010, 07:58 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by megannnn    
    okay imma vent.

    I hate how just because my horse is a paint he isnt well excepted in the hunter/jumper world. He isnt very excepted in dressage or eventing in my area either. They havent even seen him move and write him off because he has two colors on his coat? I don't think his coat color makes a difference! Or HIS BREEDING!! I hate how a horse isnt good because he isnt worth 20,000 dollars and imported or is a fancy thouroughbred (no offense to those with horses like that). Well im perfectly happy with my 2500 dollar horse who is the bomb and does anything asked.just because he has a different coat dosent mean he can't out jump a chestnut or grey or bay. !@#$% it makes me sooo maddd!!!!!! Okay vent session over.
    Feel free to comment on it ;)
    I kinda of know/use to know how you feel. When I first started showing my guy we barely got looked at. I will admit that even today we will get placed WAY LOWER than I think we should but honestly we have accomplished a lot so I can't complaine. I know of a couple of paint hunter/jumpers out there (not quite as popular but still there). One thing I know that does kill D & I is he has 8ish movements on a good day. Other than that he's a high 6, 7 if I can't get him to move out and look pretty. He also had a VERY inconsistant head when we first started out. My point is I feel your pain lol. Just make sure there are not little things you might be forgetting that could be killing you in the show ring (took me forever to realize my horses head was so inconsistant).

    I will admit I have only had one judge out right tell me "Oh, I didn't place you because... well you are riding a paint... get with the program" I was shocked and went to show managment with this who none the less did nothing but I figured having a huge fit wouldn't get anything accomplished. What blows my mind today is the same judge gave me 4firsts 3 seconds and 2 thirds at a show last year and when I spoke to her again about any ways we could improve tips etc. She acted like (or possibly she just didn't) remember me LOL. She did make the comment back in 07 and the show was in 09 lol.
         
        04-09-2010, 11:53 AM
      #20
    Yearling
    The fact that discrimination still exists, especially when it's seen on rare occassion in the Jumper or Eventer world, where having a "pretty" horse is NOT supposed to matter, makes me a bit sick. It's rare that it'll happen in those 2 disciplines, but I had a discrimination experience with one of my students over the fall. He took his Appy to his very first schooling event, & the dressage judge actually marked him down for the spots. I can't remember the exact words she used, but it was definitely clear on the scorecard that that was the reason he was marked down. He placed 5th in the event, as his XC & SJ rounds were clean, but the fact that he was penalised in dressage for something that wasn't an actual error on his part absolutely disgusted me.
         

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