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        11-17-2012, 10:56 PM
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    Well, it all does make sense, and that much is really in personal opinion. But it would deffinitely explain why these horses are so smart and are just as much all-around horses as quarter horses are. They're actually doing pretty well in reining, and are excellent endurance horses.

    And actually they were. It is VERY VERY hard to find a pure nokota because about the time the Kunts bought a bunch of horses the government shot the herd stallions and introduced thoroughbred and draft type stallions to 'improve' them. My horse herself is one of the purest you'll find, and she's only about 81% pure. And they also have the 'indian shuffle' walk. They also carry traits of spanish horses, like the white sclera mine has
         
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        11-17-2012, 10:58 PM
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    And if you want I can ask Seth Zeigler to come in here and possibly explain things...
         
        11-17-2012, 10:59 PM
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    This is actually seth talking and explaining things:
         
        11-18-2012, 06:34 AM
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    Foal
    I suggest you have your "pure" Nokota DNA and then put the findings on here. Who told you yours was 81% pure? Seth Z tells a good story based on his opinion - not facts. Or as Leo Kuntz has stated, "We can make the papers read anyway you want"

    The herd stallion was shot - which one? Who introduce draft?? Where are the facts?

    The horses the Kuntzs got from the Park and the ones there now are a mix of ranch horses, a very very few indian horses, settlers & farmers that did not make it homesteading, etc.

    The Park was fenced and the few (less than 10) horses introduced (none were drafts) did little if any breeding as they could not compete with the horses in the Park. Most were removed or died.

    The horses in the Park has been observed and documented from the beginning. They all have names &/or numbers and many are mirco chipped. Interestingly the Nokota Horse Conservancy / Kuntzs do not have these historial reports nor do they get involved with the documeentation of these horses.

    They do breed everything on there land, sell hundreds to the kill market and for many years used donated money to feed their own horses.
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        11-20-2012, 04:34 PM
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    I suggest you have your "pure" Nokota DNA and then put the findings on here. Who told you yours was 81% pure? Seth Z tells a good story based on his opinion - not facts. Or as Leo Kuntz has stated, "We can make the papers read anyway you want"

    The herd stallion was shot - which one? Who introduce draft?? Where are the facts?

    The horses the Kuntzs got from the Park and the ones there now are a mix of ranch horses, a very very few indian horses, settlers & farmers that did not make it homesteading, etc.

    The Park was fenced and the few (less than 10) horses introduced (none were drafts) did little if any breeding as they could not compete with the horses in the Park. Most were removed or died.

    The horses in the Park has been observed and documented from the beginning. They all have names &/or numbers and many are mirco chipped. Interestingly the Nokota Horse Conservancy / Kuntzs do not have these historial reports nor do they get involved with the documeentation of these horses.

    They do breed everything on there land, sell hundreds to the kill market and for many years used donated money to feed their own horses.
    Yeaa.... Try seeing the horses for yourself, the horses basically speak for themselves. And It's written right on her papers. And all their horses and offspring have been documented from the time they got them.
    Facts:
    Nokotas have SUPER thick winter coats, they are way more playful than most horses, they are also way smarter, they have spanish genes including sclera, they have mustang feet, they are good adapters, easy keepers, they also do the indian shuffle. They are cowy and good versatile horses.
    Here's mine's pedigree: Prairie Spirit Mustang/wild

    Also the Kuntz have disabilities and CANNOT work, they live off welfare and such and all the money they do get goes to the horses.
    And also, one thing I've noticed... All the people who HAVE nokotas will back up what I've said, but anyone who has not outright even see one will tell all the nokota people they're wrong. And also, about the park horses, you said not all the introduced stallions fared well? Well they would have done at least some breeding, which would have altered the foals and been passed down through those foals
         
        11-20-2012, 04:57 PM
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    See...you learn something everyday! I have never of them before :)
         
        11-20-2012, 05:15 PM
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    Regardless of all the arguments over facts (seem a bit unneccessary) I have seen Nokota ponies exhibited at the past two Equine Affaires in Mass. And thought how nice they are
    As someone who grew up in the UK they actually remind me a lot of the Welsh section D x TB or arab ponies that have always been really popular over there in showjumping and working hunter over the years.
         
        11-20-2012, 07:31 PM
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    WOW! It is amazing what people will believe. I am sure it is on her papers – the Kuntz’s put it there. They have little if any documentation.

    As to their disability – what is it? Frank claims to have some prostate cancer but even the Mayo Clinic will tell you in most cases the odds are you will get kill by an airplane falling from the sky first. Of course, there are the years before that he did not work except off the donations to the so call nonprofit they run.


    I just pulled up your pedigree you posted. Who doctored the papers? Nacona Pistol is not nor was a wild mustang. Lady Gertrude nor Blue Nacona were ever in the wild either. Nor was La-Nina or her parents. All were foaled at a ranch as was Prairie Spirit. Prairie Spirit would be 3rd generation from the wild – just for the record.

    I will agree the horses are great, including Prairie Spirit which was foaled on April 21, 2009.
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        11-20-2012, 09:08 PM
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    How about the Shetland pony the Kuntzs used to get the size down so they could keep the so called "traditional" at 14.2 HH or less? Opps, I wasn't suppose to know that.

    The Kuntzs got 3 at the last auction - why. Of course they died shortly after they got them home anyway.

    Let's not forget the many they send to the kill market including this year.
         

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