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    04-10-2011, 08:24 AM
You really need to get her DNA tested. With that much line breeding there is a great risk the baby could have Herda if she is bred. Nothing is worse than seeing a horse with their skin falling off. Right now I don't believe AQHA requires it on the papers.
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    04-10-2011, 08:26 AM
You really need to get her DNA tested. With that much line breeding there is a great risk the baby could have Herda if she is bred. Nothing is worse than seeing a horse with their skin falling off. Right now I don't believe AQHA requires it on the papers.

We have a gelding who is Doc Bar grandson, there are so many out there. Your horse would be more bred for penning, cutting with the bloodlines, but if you take some good pictures of both sides, front and back with her squared up the pros on here can probably tell you what she is built for.

Good luck she is a pretty girl.
    04-10-2011, 09:16 AM
You know I suggested contacting the AQHA about HERDA, but then I thought maybe your girl is APHA registered. Since Poco Bueno and Doc Bar are AQHA registered horses that is why I referred to that association. If your mare is registered with the APHA they will know the details also on HERDA.

ETA: Like already suggested getting a DNA test done is probably a good idea.
    04-10-2011, 11:36 AM
Yeah, she is registered with APHA. I will look into blood testing and contacting the banker again for information on HERDA. Can some describe the issue to me? She has rain rot but is it possible I just think it is rain rot and it be something different?
    04-10-2011, 11:49 AM
It could be. But most likely just Rain Rot. I would call APHA and ask them how much to have the HERDA test ran. If I remember correctly it is $40.00.
    04-10-2011, 11:51 AM
$40.00 Isn't that bad at all. I might get into that so we know for sure.
    04-10-2011, 11:51 AM
I like the sire. Champion Reiner and Roper. Nice. She should go in any direction you want to go.
    04-10-2011, 11:57 AM
I'm wanting to start something with her, not sure on what though, got to wait until she is healthy again.
    04-10-2011, 01:30 PM
If her conformation is half as good as her bloodlines, she should be a wonderful all around horse. If you would be interested in showing in some cow horse classes, she should take to that naturally.
    04-10-2011, 03:07 PM
Hello :0) I'm new here, nice to meet you all! We have raised registered Quarters & Paints for almost 30 years.

Your mare is beautiful & has awesome bloodlines. Good food & love will take her where she needs to be :0)

We stand a red dun AQHA stallion who is Doc Bar bred and I am a big Lightning Bar fan. I love researching bloodlines. If you are interested, the Quarter Horse Legends books tell lots of great stories about these horses.

As far as your mare goes for HERDA, she would have shown signs of it by now, so don't worry about her, it would be good to test her if you plan to breed her. Both parents would have to have the gene to get a foal with herda, so if she has the gene, you just breed to a stallion who does not. The number of carriers looks like quite a few but last I had heard actual diagnosed cases were just over 200 in like 30 years. Might be more now but most of the vets I know here in Minnesota have never seen a case of HERDA. Great to know about but not all that common here. But then I am not in the middle of cutting horse country, you might see it more common there.

I was much more worried about HYPP.

Enjoy your beautiful mare :0) Jo

Here's some HERDA info:

The disease is found primarily in the American Quarter Horse, specifically in cutting horse lines. Affected horses have been found to trace to the stallion Poco Bueno, or possibly, farther back to one of his ancestors.[1] Researchers have now named four deceased Quarter Horse stallions that were carriers and produced at least one affacted HERDA foal; they are Dry Doc, Doc O'Lena, Great Pine, and Zippo Pine Bar. These stallions all trace to Poco Bueno through his son and daughter Poco Pine and Poco Lena. Other breeds affected are the American Paint Horse (APHA), and the Appaloosa (ApHC) and any other breed registry that allows outcrossing to AQHA horses.
HERDA is characterized by abnormal skin along the back that tears or rips easily and heals into disfiguring scars. The skin is loose, and hyper-elastic in affected horses. Symptoms typically donít appear until the horse is subjected to pressure or injury on their back, neck or hips, usually around two yrs of age. However foals can show signs when injured, while other horses mature and only show signs in the joints.

The expected lifespan of an affected horse is 2Ė4 years. There is currently no cure for this disease. To prevent it from occurring, the only solution is not to breed horses who both carry the HERDA gene.

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