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Dorsal Stripe on a Black Horse?

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Hey Guys!

My reg. Paint mare, Charity, is solid black, but has a very visible dorsal stripe. Her father was a purebred Paint horse, and her mother a purebred Quarter Horse.

Here is her pedigree: Poco Lady Charity Paint

Any clues as to why she has a dorsal stripe? Maybe its something in her breeding? I don't think King or Poco Bueno had a dorsal (I LOVE King babies, so i know a bit about them) But i know a lot of people managed to get grulla horses out of King babies... so maybe he has the dorsal stripe/leg barring somewhere in his breeding.

I've seen dull dorsals on other horses too (sometimes chestnuts, palominos, etc) I've even seen a Palomino with a very visible dun stripe AND leg barring.

Anyways... Do all horses have some form of dorsal if they get sun bleached? Charity isn't really sun bleached... and if she was, wouldnt the dorsal on her back get bleached out too?

I've heard people talk about how there is no true black horse... just really really dark bays. But i'm pretty darn sure Charity is considered black. I can spot a phoney black horse in a New York minute.

I'd love any input on this that I can get! I feel all.. newbish.. for asking, LOL!

Thanks guys!!

Dorsal:


Another picture of her taken the same day i took the dorsal picture to show you what her whole body color is like:
 
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#30 ·
lol, Sure! I'll show a couple so you can see how he 'changed' so far.

Here he is only a few weeks old:



Here he is about 4-5 months old--and you can really see the 'creme' in this one!!



And here he is with his winter coat:



As you can see... he's all over the board so far!! Let me dig up the results from his DNA testing...

Okay:

E/e for 'red factor', with this: 'basic color is black, bay, or brown in the absence of other modifying genes.'

a/a for agouti, the recessive gene. 'Black pigment is distributed uniformly.' [Pssht. not yet! lol]

And one 'Cr' gene from his cremello german warmblood dad, which is SUPPOSED to be recessive if with a black gene.

*rolls eyes* who knows what color this boy is going to be! I can't wait for him to shed out. ;)
 
#31 ·
Wow Mayfield! He looks so black in that winter coat, and so very bay in the summer coat, LOL! This will be Charity's first "reliable shed" of her life. She was born in march and had her baby coat well into the summer. And of course, everything is darker in the winter... Dreamer is a peachy roan in the summer but looks downright chestnut in the winter, lol!

After furthering Charity's pedigree search, i've educed that there could -possibly- be the chance that she is a smokey black... and when i say that, im not hopeful, im just saying I think the potential may be there.

Here is her pedigree (i forget if i posted it already or not): Poco Lady Charity Paint

I have no color information on her Sire or Dam. (Any help would be SO LOVED <3!!! I need to get the registration through on the APHA side so i can get my online account and research some myself.

On her Father's side (APHA) Her grandsire was a black and white, and her Great Greats were chestnut, Sorrel, Black, etc. So there is some of the red gene there.

On her Mother's side (AQHA) No info on grandsires, but the great grandsires were Chestnut Buckskin and Brown... so there is more red to throw into her, as well as the Buckskin.

Again.. if anyone could get any color info on her folks/grandparents, I would really appreciate it. I'd love to know!

This topic had turned out to be more interesting than i expected! =)
 
#32 ·
I suspect Fiona is smokey black, but as she isn't mine (...yet?) I haven't really bothered to get testing done.

Smokey black usually looks plain black or dark bay. Though it can look like a faded black, which is what I suspect Fi is, either that or she is just REALLY dark bay.

Fi in fluffy winter coat (probably a bit sun bleached, we don't really have cloudy winters) -


Fi shaved -

This pic is kinda dark...




Fi and Brutus.

Don't have a picture of it, but her summer coat looks dark bay. Although NC summer sun's bleach out dark coats BAAAD, so she could just be plain black in the summer. To give you an idea, my friend's chesnut has a blond mane on top in the summer, but the mane protected and under the top layer is like liver chesnut.

It'd be interesting to see if she was smokey black, and I'll probably do that if/when I buy her, just for curiosity's sake.
 
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