Dorsal Stripe on a Black Horse? - Page 2
 
 

       The Horse Forum > Horse Breeds, Breeding, and Genetics > Horse Breeds

Dorsal Stripe on a Black Horse?

This is a discussion on Dorsal Stripe on a Black Horse? within the Horse Breeds forums, part of the Horse Breeds, Breeding, and Genetics category
  • Seal brown horse with dorsal stripe
  • Black horse

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
    03-07-2009, 11:32 PM
  #11
Cat
Green Broke
There are two base colors for horses - black & red. Everything else are modifiers on top of those. A bay is actually a black horse with the agouti modifier.

Here is a link to UC Davis. $40 for the first test - you would want the agouti one.

Horse Coat Color
     
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
    03-08-2009, 04:09 AM
  #12
Yearling
An old farmer once told me that true black horses don't turn brown-ish while being out in the sun all day. True?
     
    03-08-2009, 04:36 AM
  #13
Started
^^^ False. I can't access my photos here at work (on my lunch break) but if you click the link in my sig go to my Friesian page and see the Friesian I had. FPS/FHANA registered Friesian, no debate she was BLACK. But if you look at the saddled photos, she appears bay due to drastic sun bleaching (darn Az summer sun!)
     
    03-08-2009, 04:51 AM
  #14
Yearling
Yes, that is true, although when it comes to horses, breeds, and colors people never agree... but there is a turn Black and what makes a horse a true black is when there out in the sun the don't look brown. Here some pics.

Horses that look black, but in the sun are not.









Now this is a ture OLD black horse. And it was super bright out when I took these pics. If you don't think the bellow horse is black then by god what color is he?






True black horses are very rare, I my self have a black horse, is he a true black? While I wish he was he is in fact not, even though people beg to differ with me on just how black he is. He my horse I think I know what color he is. Lol!!
     
    03-08-2009, 05:44 AM
  #15
Yearling
There is no such thing as a 'true' black. ;) Some horses bleach and others don't; just like some people burn and others don't. Some people say it's a copper deficiency, and with at least 100 g. Of copper they won't bleach as bad.

Bleaching happens ESPECIALLY when the horse sweats, so you could also suggest that horse's who sweat more, bleach more. And since not all horses sweat really bad... Who knows.

A lot of horse's bleach. Who's to say bay's aren't true bays if they bleach? ;)

A lot of show friesians, who are BLACK and can only be registered black, are kept in during the hottest part of the day. = no bleaching, woo! :)
     
    03-08-2009, 10:19 AM
  #16
Showing
This horse is not black. A true black has black skin which makes a dorsal stripe not possible. She probably was a dark bay at one point which might have looked black to you but even sun bleached, this horse was never a true black.
     
    03-08-2009, 02:11 PM
  #17
Weanling
Cache, Don't most horses have black skin? Or am I mistaken?

The thing that gets me about Charity his how deep deep black her head is. I can usually call a dark bay horse in a New York Minute, but Charity has been harder to read for me. I might just cough up the 40 bucks and get her tested just to know. Im looking out the window at her right now and though her fur is bleached out, she still looks very black. The one thing that really convinces me she may be dark bay is the slight presence of front stockings.

I know about the Black and Brown families (read all up on that when I found out about Cremellos and Perlinos) The other thing that has me thrown for a loop is "Brown"... When I was a budding young horse person my instructors taught me a horse can never be "brown" in color (they are usually bay, chestnut, etc).. Its funny, because I've heard more people call bays "brown" but bays are part of the black family :p

Oh the hilarity of the horse world, someone else who posted on this thread said it right... no two horse people can agree on horse color, LOL!
     
    03-08-2009, 02:53 PM
  #18
Cat
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by whitetrashwarmblood    
An old farmer once told me that true black horses don't turn brown-ish while being out in the sun all day. True?
Not true. Its called sun fading and genetically verified black horses have been shown to sun fade. The fading has more to do with diet, sun exposure, etc.
     
    03-08-2009, 02:58 PM
  #19
Cat
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skippy!    
I know about the Black and Brown families (read all up on that when I found out about Cremellos and Perlinos) The other thing that has me thrown for a loop is "Brown"... When I was a budding young horse person my instructors taught me a horse can never be "brown" in color (they are usually bay, chestnut, etc).. Its funny, because I've heard more people call bays "brown" but bays are part of the black family :p

Oh the hilarity of the horse world, someone else who posted on this thread said it right... no two horse people can agree on horse color, LOL!
There is a new theory on "brown". Its believed to be a variance on the agouti gene and thus related to bay. UC Davis hasn't come out with anything to verify it, but another color testing facility claims they have discovered and have a test for "brown" now. However, most color people are still waiting for the scientific paper for peer review that seems very slow coming - if it ever will.

But anyway - the theory is that while bay is the agouti gene on black that creates a horse with the black restricted to the points, that brown is an different version of the agouti that also works on black, but partially restricts it through the whole coat - making a mixture of red & black hairs creating the brown/seal brown look.
     
    03-08-2009, 06:22 PM
  #20
Weanling
Cat, That makes a whole lot of sense... so a "brown" horse would be the same shade of brown as a traditional bay and/or dark bay, only there would be -no- black points... just brown all the way through. Very interesting!

TwilightArabians, I meant to say this a few posts ago but I forgot, lol. The first few pictures of horses you posted were very obviously bay to me... the tell tale brown around the bellies, etc.. the reason I am having such a hard time telling with Charity is because she had a very poor nutrition from her first home/breeder, which apparently lends to the fading out of black horses. The horse you posted after them was very very black, and that's more what Charity looks like in person.

I just came in from giving Charity a bath (Yay for nice weather!!) and had trouble locating her stocking again... BUT.. when I was going over her with the brush after she dried, there are select shorthair spots on her (from shedding out and from hair growing back from the rain rot) and it is appears very, very black. I guess the last oddball thing is the dorsal stripe... which probably makes her a bay, lol.

I'm still thinking very seriously about getting her tested just for my own peace of mind.. plus, its just one more thing to have in her files =)
     

Quick Reply
Please help keep the Horse Forum enjoyable by reporting rude posts.
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Black Horse Photography Rissa Hobbies 20 05-04-2009 08:15 PM
Spotted dorsal stripe Cow Pie Girls Horse Breeds 5 07-26-2008 12:11 PM
Black Feather Horse Rescue Horses! blackfeatherhorserescue Horse Pictures 8 05-16-2008 04:59 PM
Dorsal on a Paint??? horse_luver4e Horse Breeds 2 11-21-2007 05:11 AM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0