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        11-27-2012, 11:14 PM
      #31
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by Kayty    
    My favourite horse was a thoroughbred, I don't think I'll ever be able to replace him, no matter how good any new horses are.
    If you've read any of my posts in training/riding etc. I will always, without fail, try to give the poster advice on what they can do to improve the horse that they have.

    That issue is NOTHING to do with people owning warmbloods. Don't try and throw it into the mix to add more ammunition.
    It really does irk me that we all get heaped into the same basket. As soon as I type a response I'm deemed a warmblood snob if I didn't tell the poster that they're perfect in every way. It's really quite infuriating, and does make me hesitant to offer advice. I am hear because I like to help other people with issues they're having with their horses, and frequently take a lot of time to come up with a response for them.
    This is true. Kayty has been of immense help to me and my riding, reining horse actually. She is always helpful and has never come across IMHO to be a WB snob. Not at all.
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        11-27-2012, 11:14 PM
      #32
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kayty    
    My favourite horse was a thoroughbred, I don't think I'll ever be able to replace him, no matter how good any new horses are.
    If you've read any of my posts in training/riding etc. I will always, without fail, try to give the poster advice on what they can do to improve the horse that they have.

    That issue is NOTHING to do with people owning warmbloods. Don't try and throw it into the mix to add more ammunition.
    It really does irk me that we all get heaped into the same basket. As soon as I type a response I'm deemed a warmblood snob if I didn't tell the poster that they're perfect in every way. It's really quite infuriating, and does make me hesitant to offer advice. I am hear because I like to help other people with issues they're having with their horses, and frequently take a lot of time to come up with a response for them.
    You misunderstand a little. It's people in general...especially competitive. It seems that warmblood vs everything else is a huge bomb everywhere, which honestly I don't understand. They're awesome animals. Every horse has it's own place in or out of the ring. I'm not trying to attack you personally in any way. I'm explaining what my personal experience has been in this particular 'war zone'.

    Unfortunately I live in an area where every show I go to it's mostly people who have nothing constructive in their criticism. It's just people downing you everywhere, which doesn't make it fun at all. I like my horse experience to be fun, not stressful. Another unfortunate in that is that a high percentage of those people happen to ride warmbloods in these shows, which doesn't make anything look good. I'm sure if they were all riding mules, Thoroughbreds, llamas it would be the same thing, just because of the kind of people they specifically are...I seem to be in a sort of snob mecca.

    You, Kayty, are no snob. You are helpful, very much so. People tend to get caught up in this stupid hype and can't see past the stereotypes. I appreciate criticism about myself and my mounts, as long as it's criticism that can help me as opposed to criticism meant to hurt (you can tell in the tone some people use, if speaking directly). Too many people are just stubborn and set in their minds...I'm not even a big part of this hype and it is frustrating even to me. I'm frustrated for all the good people out there who get all this garbage just because they have a great warmblood.
         
        11-27-2012, 11:30 PM
      #33
    Started
    I did over-react and I am sorry for that but I just get sick of hearing the same thing over and over again. You hear about how warmblood owners are stuck up snobs and all I ever hear is how standardbreds are ugly, and can't do anything except trot, which apparently they have a horrible one to ride. At least you get to go out and ride a horse and have people say "well its a warmblood so of course it can do that. I get to hear "thats a standardbred?" or "look at his ears" or "they have horrible trots" or "You can ride them?" etc. I get just as tired of hearing that as you do about warmblood owners being stuck up. We are on different sides of the same coin. We both have breed stereotypes. We just happen to be on a thread in which your breed stereotype is stronger.

    The difference is that when people go after warmbloods they go after the rider. When people say things about standardbreds they go after the horse. Which is hard because I really, really, really, really like my horse. I think they are the best horses I have ever ridden and in my book they are the bees knees which all riders/owners think of their horses. I can handle people saying all manner of horrible things to me and about me but I don't like hearing horrible things about my horse. Particularly by people who have not seen them or ridden them.

    Its just frustrating because I was like I should not even post this on a dressage thread, because its all about warmbloods. Then I was like oh well maybe they will be open minded. Nope, same old same old.

    I don't mean to assert that warmblood people are snobs. I don't mean to offend anyone. Its just hard when I work with people who have these horses with french passports, who buy horses that cost more then my house and treat me like trash because I am on the farm doing vaccine records. Not all warmbloods owners are snobs just like not all standardbreds are bad riding horses.
         
        11-27-2012, 11:37 PM
      #34
    Trained
    No worries Rookie.

    And for the record I don't thikn STB's are bad horses. I've got lots of friends with them and they have all been very sweet horses. They're just not the type of horse that is built to be successful in Dressage. And it's not something to get upset about, its how they're bred - success in harness racing requires a different build to success in Dressage.
    As I said earlier, I know a lovely STB stud, he's easily the nicest one I've seen around and he could probably do quite well. But still - when you compare him to a well bred warmblood stud, the warmblood is going to be better suited. Generations of specific and careful breeding to create that particular WB as a Dressage machine, would be very much wasted in a harness bred trotter was better suited to Dressage.
    Again, not breed prejudice, just generations of 'type' breeding.
         
        11-27-2012, 11:54 PM
      #35
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    This is exactly why I love the horse world. There are so many different breeds to do many different jobs. All of them can do something of value. All of them can do low level dressage or different types of lower level western, etc. When you want to specialize and go further in a discipline, that's when you pick the one out that can get the job done.

    If you love the STB's ... ride on! Don't let the haters get you down. I have known plenty of Standards in my younger days and they were always one of the best horses around.
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        11-28-2012, 12:02 AM
      #36
    Foal
    I have a beautiful Anglo Arab mare, who is the most beautiful dressage horse. Fantastic mover.. when she's not being lazy.
         
        11-28-2012, 12:09 AM
      #37
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    Originally Posted by MissBalloon    
    I have a beautiful Anglo Arab mare, who is the most beautiful dressage horse. Fantastic mover.. when she's not being lazy.
    This brings up a good point. I would think Arabs would be wonderful in this sport at high levels. Is there a reason they aren't up there? I'm guessing this is a newbie question but I know absolutely zero about dressage. I just love to watch it :)
         
        11-28-2012, 12:18 AM
      #38
    Trained
    There are a handful of anglo's and arabxwb's doing fairly well (don't hit me, I know I said the dreaded w word!) in the higher levels of competitive Dressage, but in my limited experience with arabs, they appear to be very much leg moves and not so much back movers, along with often being quite 'straight' in their movement. This makes collection and connection in a higher level Dressage sence, more difficult.
    But if you get a good one that will swings its back and lower its haunches, then you're off to a great start!
         
        11-28-2012, 12:22 AM
      #39
    Banned
    Okay. Thank you, Kayty. I'm going to have to dig in and learn a bit more about this!
         
        11-28-2012, 03:44 AM
      #40
    Green Broke
    Wow rookie way to overreact!

    I never said I hated standardbreds, my mums favorite horse was a standard bred. They just do not tend to have the movement or conformation for dressage and I have never seen one that has.

    My last horse was a connemara, before that it was an arab, a BRP and a welsh section B, my current horse is a section D x wb. I have also schooled an OTTB for dressage (he was as thick as 2 short planks and honestly wouldnt have known a corner if it jumped up and bit him!) and a Welsh section D.

    I have no WB prejudice however 100's of years of breeding for athletisism means that 90% of wb will be able to do a decent level of test. I wouldnt race a WB as they wouldnt do well, I wouldnt do endurance on a highland pony, I wouldnt ask a TB to carry weight.

    Kayty the problem I had with my arab was that he was far too intellegent and tended to learn tests so would always anticipate. I couldnt even run through a whole test once as he learnt it.
         

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