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post #21 of 90 Old 05-17-2010, 12:47 PM
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buckskins DO have black points. Very much so. That is what makes them a buckskin.
No what makes them a buckskin is the cream gene. Not the black points. The black points make is a bay if you did not have the cream in there.

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No what makes them a buckskin is the cream gene. Not the black points. The black points make is a bay if you did not have the cream in there.
Yes, but a buckskin is a BAY with the cream gene. Hence the black points. Just like wild_spot said.

Otherwise he would not be a buckskin, he would be some other cream color.
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Not must some other it would be a pally. If it was not black based or a smokie.

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Not must some other it would be a pally. If it was not black based or a smokie.
Yes...so to be a buckskin it has black points....

We are saying the same thing I am missing why you are saying we are not.

With out the black points the horse is not a buckskin.
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I always thought that a dun had to have the cream gene and the dun gene to exist, thus making the whole thing 'dunskin' an oxymoron. Could someone please show me a picture of a dun that does not have a cream gene?? Because theoretically if that were true there would be A LOT of 'bays' running around with dorsal stripes, barring, and cob webbing.

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Not must some other it would be a pally. If it was not black based or a smokie.
That is what alwaysbehind said . . . some other 'cream'.
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Coloring in horses s an endless debate if you ask me.... without haviung the horse tested you will never know what genes it carries.. JMO
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Dun dilutes the coat colour, hence why they can appear lighter. Bay Duns are the type that most people picture when they imagine a Dun horse, however their colouring can range from very light (like the ones confused with buckskins) to darker (appearing almost as a normal bay with dun markings). These 2 horses are both bay + dun:





Grulla (Black + Dun)


Red Dun (Chestnut + Dun)


Brown Dun (Brown + Dun)
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I'm confused now, I can't wrap my head around this, lol.

This is Gracie. I've always figured she was a bay, but now I'm not sure.


You can kind of see her dorsal stripe here...




You can kind of see the "oddness" I mentioned of her black points here, it just seems different than any other bay I've seen. It's very very blendy.


I have some not-so-great face shots of her mom, dad, and full sister if you think those would be helpful. So is she a bay or not? o_O

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She looks bay to me. A lot of horses have "false" countershading even though they're not dun, so a light dorsal stripe on a bay horse isn't abnormal. It would be very rare for a bay dun to stay as dark as she is.
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