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    05-17-2010, 12:47 PM
  #21
Trained
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Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    

buckskins DO have black points. Very much so. That is what makes them a buckskin.
No what makes them a buckskin is the cream gene. Not the black points. The black points make is a bay if you did not have the cream in there.
     
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    05-17-2010, 01:00 PM
  #22
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
No what makes them a buckskin is the cream gene. Not the black points. The black points make is a bay if you did not have the cream in there.
Yes, but a buckskin is a BAY with the cream gene. Hence the black points. Just like wild_spot said.

Otherwise he would not be a buckskin, he would be some other cream color.
     
    05-17-2010, 01:04 PM
  #23
Trained
Not must some other it would be a pally. If it was not black based or a smokie.
     
    05-17-2010, 01:11 PM
  #24
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
Not must some other it would be a pally. If it was not black based or a smokie.
Yes...so to be a buckskin it has black points....

We are saying the same thing I am missing why you are saying we are not.

With out the black points the horse is not a buckskin.
     
    05-17-2010, 01:12 PM
  #25
Foal
I always thought that a dun had to have the cream gene and the dun gene to exist, thus making the whole thing 'dunskin' an oxymoron. Could someone please show me a picture of a dun that does not have a cream gene?? Because theoretically if that were true there would be A LOT of 'bays' running around with dorsal stripes, barring, and cob webbing.

My dun:


His sire (dun):


His dam (bay):
     
    05-17-2010, 01:24 PM
  #26
mls
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
Not must some other it would be a pally. If it was not black based or a smokie.
That is what alwaysbehind said . . . Some other 'cream'.
     
    05-17-2010, 01:34 PM
  #27
Foal
Coloring in horses s an endless debate if you ask me.... without haviung the horse tested you will never know what genes it carries.. JMO
     
    05-17-2010, 01:49 PM
  #28
Yearling
Dun dilutes the coat colour, hence why they can appear lighter. Bay Duns are the type that most people picture when they imagine a Dun horse, however their colouring can range from very light (like the ones confused with buckskins) to darker (appearing almost as a normal bay with dun markings). These 2 horses are both bay + dun:





Grulla (Black + Dun)


Red Dun (Chestnut + Dun)


Brown Dun (Brown + Dun)
     
    05-17-2010, 02:40 PM
  #29
Trained
I'm confused now, I can't wrap my head around this, lol.

This is Gracie. I've always figured she was a bay, but now I'm not sure.


You can kind of see her dorsal stripe here...




You can kind of see the "oddness" I mentioned of her black points here, it just seems different than any other bay I've seen. It's very very blendy.


I have some not-so-great face shots of her mom, dad, and full sister if you think those would be helpful. So is she a bay or not? O_O
     
    05-17-2010, 02:55 PM
  #30
Yearling
She looks bay to me. A lot of horses have "false" countershading even though they're not dun, so a light dorsal stripe on a bay horse isn't abnormal. It would be very rare for a bay dun to stay as dark as she is.
     

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