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    09-04-2012, 11:34 AM
  #91
Foal
Knowledge

WyndellaRose,
A lot has been written about the Ghostwind horses and most of it I suppose has been Indian folk lore. How much is actually fact is anyone's guess. I am very interested in anything you can drum up as fact about these magnificent animals. Please feel free to share any info you find.
Since taking on the gelding pictured earlier in this thread, I have felt a strong draw to be more involved with this line of appy that I have decided to take his younger brother, both grand sired by Solar flair eclat. This desire feels almost like the horses are calling me to them. Or it may just be my imagination.
You may want to contact Leopard appaloosas.com and talk to Cheryl in person. She has been a wealth of information to me. Also a Ghostwind appaloosa in Saskatewan, CA. Very willing to share info and talk about Appaloosas.
Good luck in your research and I look forward to learning from your story.
BTW,, Apache now has over 60 hours under saddle on trails and is doing well. Starting to pick up leg and neck reining ques. Rusty
     
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    09-06-2012, 05:55 PM
  #92
Showing
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
First of all, kudos for your interest in Appys and wanting to someday join those who are dedicated to preserving the breed.

Unlike with Quarterhorses, "foundation" can mean a couple different things with Appys.

To hardline Appy folks like myself, a "foundation" Appy is one that is primarily of true Appy blood that predates the formation of
ApHC, and displays the conformation, characteristics, and abilities that the breed was intended to display. These Appys are what I consider to be a breed, and are what I term "true" Appys. Appys were developed as work horses - not show horses. Other than their color, they were not bred for aesthetics but rather for their ability. As a result, again other than color, they are not the most aesthetic of horses...thick necks, large heads, rangey - almost scraggly actually, and certainly without the "classic" look of an Arab. Their origin is Spanish and they were bred for versatility. They are arguably the most versatile breed there is, with a muscle composition and conformation conducive to both endurance and performance. As I like to say, an Arab will beat them in endurance, and a Quarterhorse will beat them in strength, but if there were an equine decathalon, it would be next to impossible to beat an Appy - as a breed, of course...individual horses will always differ. Most, although not all, of these horses trace back through horses ApHC originally designated with an "F" prefacing their registration number. Because Appys were bred for versatility rather than specialization, most of the old foundation Appys were not raced or shown successfully, so looking for "famous" horses in their pedigree is likely to prove frutal - there are no Man-O Wars in Appy ancestry, simply because of their versatility.

Then there are "foundation" Appys as designated by ApHC's foundation pedigree designation. These can be true foundation Appys, but generally are nothing more than horses that have a certain percentage of Appy blood. The term "foundation" as ApHC uses the term, is meaningless. Remember that ApHC is not a breed registry, and most of the "Appys" ApHC registers are actually mixed breeds, with many having very little Appy blood at all. All the term "foundation" means as used by ApHC, is mostly Appy - as opposed to the "Appies" that are actually mostly Quarterhorse. As a group, these "foundation" Appys are less versatile than true foundation Appys, although they are still more versatile than most pure breeds, and many of them are strong performers in specific disciplines. They display cleaner lines, a more classical look, and are more aesthetic than the true foundation Appys. Most trace through strong modern Appy lines like the Plaudit, Bright Eyes Brother/Mighty Bright, Goer, Wapiti, Joker B, and Colida lines to name a few.

As far as where to get information, I don't know that I can point you to a specific place. There is a little information all over on the foundation type Appys as defined by ApHC - you just have to assimilate it here and there over the years. As far as true foundation Appys, there is really very limited information available. The U.S. Government was kind enough to exterminate much of the original breed because they so outclassed the dull, plodding cavalry horses, so there isn't a lot of information available beyond information that has been handed down orally. We know what they were, what their origins are, what they were bred and used for, and what they looked like, but most of the details that we take for granted in more modern breeds or in breeds that were developed by more organized cultures with more extensive written languages, are missing. We know from information handed down from generatin to generation, that the Indians were selective breeders and are rumored to have been ruthless cullers. But we also know that there are conformation variances in Appys - likely due to their intended use, with both draft and endurance objectives within the same breed, almost as if there are sub-breeds within the Appy breed. So much remains a mystery, and will likely remain so.

Perhaps the best source of information is from long-time foundatin Appy breeders themselves. You will almost always find a comeradery among foundation Appy breeders, and most of them will be glad to share what information and knowledge they have - it will be far more likely you will have trouble shutting them up than getting them to talk about foundation Appys. Understand, that because of a lack of written records during the time Appys were developed, it is difficult, if not impossible, to separate truth from fiction, or determine if what has been handed down orally is myth or fact or embellished fact.

Because ApHC continues to permit outcrossing, Appys as a breed are rapidly giving way to becoming nothing more than a color variation of a Quarterhorse. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Appy crosses - they can make great horses. I raised Araloosas as well as Appys myself. But the Appy as a separate and distinct breed is in danger of extinction. It is only the efforts of foundation Appy breeders that is preserving the breed. I hope you find the prospect of hel;ing to save the breed appealing as you plan for the future - I would have to see the breed disappear altogether such that the term Appaloosa means nothing more than a color/pattern.

As to foundation Appys having more or better color than mixed breed Appys, there is much we still don't know about LP/PATN genetics. At this point I can't tell you that there is any better or different color expectations out of foundation Appys than mixed breed Appys. But we are still learning, and hopefully the pieces of that puzzle will come together in the not too distant future.

Probably not as much help as you would like, but hope it helps some...
Thanks for the info. I knew nothing about Appys, so it was a great read being we just bought a foundation mare. Thanks so much!
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    09-10-2012, 05:45 PM
  #93
Foal
I'm new here too and I've never owned my own horse( I deffinitely want one... or 12) and there was an appy I used to ride that really sounds like she's a foundation. My owner got her as an abuse rescue but she was the sweetest horse on the ground you could wish for. She once walked patiently with and elderly woman leaning against her all the way from the back field.

She was a bit of a speed demon, always wanting to go ears pinned back most of the time. But she was extremely sure footed and I once watched as a girl tried to tire her out by galloping up and down a huge hill on her but it never fazed her she just kept chugging.

I don't know anything about her back ground but she certainly lookid the part.

I couldnt find any other pictures of her but she the third from the right and you can't see but she has a black and white tail that's only a few inches long at the tip of her tail bone and her mane is the same and not really any kind of fore lock and big striped feet

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/...4/e5c9aedb.jpg
     
    09-11-2012, 06:21 PM
  #94
Banned
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Originally Posted by ButternutSquash    
I'm new here too and I've never owned my own horse( I deffinitely want one... or 12) and there was an appy I used to ride that really sounds like she's a foundation. My owner got her as an abuse rescue but she was the sweetest horse on the ground you could wish for. She once walked patiently with and elderly woman leaning against her all the way from the back field.

She was a bit of a speed demon, always wanting to go ears pinned back most of the time. But she was extremely sure footed and I once watched as a girl tried to tire her out by galloping up and down a huge hill on her but it never fazed her she just kept chugging.

I don't know anything about her back ground but she certainly lookid the part.

I couldnt find any other pictures of her but she the third from the right and you can't see but she has a black and white tail that's only a few inches long at the tip of her tail bone and her mane is the same and not really any kind of fore lock and big striped feet

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/...4/e5c9aedb.jpg
Haha...sounds like an Appy all right...
     
    09-13-2012, 08:49 AM
  #95
Foal
Foundation Appaloosa vs "regular" Appaloosa

Hello all. I'm new here and sorry I can't upload photos yet as I don't have any less than 64 kb. Anyhow...I have always been fascintated with Appaloosas after owning a gelding that was headed for the kill pen (many years ago). He was solid colored, half QH, out of a leopard mare so surely not a fine specimen but he taught me a lot (as all horses can and do). I am now putting my toe in the water after buying a leopard mare who gave birth to a few spot leopard colt in April. I'm supposed to be a focused Lusitano person but am absolutely distracted. I do find myself wishing I could put a little bit of the "spanish" back into the Appaloosa with my Lusitano but he is grey so that won't happen. But, either way, I am planning on registering the colt as "foundation" as well, since there is all appaloosa until six generations back, then I find QH (mostly TB) racing lines. Anyway, happy to join ya'll!
     
    09-18-2012, 10:53 PM
  #96
Weanling
Ghostwind or anyone else out there, I found a colt by DREA Strong Medicine. He's dun with blanket and spots, dorsal stripe, and leg barring/shoulder shadowing (according to the breeders web site). He's not bad looking and he's not to expensive...

Anyone looking for a nice colt?

I've also found a TON more nice looking colts and a few scattered fillies for good measure.
     
    09-19-2012, 01:43 AM
  #97
Trained
I'm interested! Where are all the good Appy's?? I called on one yesterday, he had been listed for only 3 hours before he sold!!
I'm looking for a good trail gelding but I might get a nice colt if just the right one came by....
     
    09-19-2012, 02:50 AM
  #98
Yearling
Yes foundation Appys are generations of Appaloosa breedings. For example a 5 generation Appaloosa would be %100 foundation bred. ( parents, grandparents greatgrand parents and so on. Some people call them purebred. They are rare right now and that is what many breeders are striving for. To bring the true Appaloosas back. I recently just started my own Appy breeding program and have learned alot from other breeders and doing my own research.
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    09-19-2012, 03:13 AM
  #99
Yearling
Check out elkislandappaloosas.com , tells you about LP genes, PATN, Cream genes ect. May help out a bit, there are also several links to take a look at and learn more about the Appy's
     
    09-19-2012, 03:34 AM
  #100
Weanling
I don't have anything really to add about foundation pedigrees. All I know is that back in the 70's and 80's most of the appys I remember had " ugly" heads (beauty is in the eye of the beholder)and were fairly big boned, stocky looking horses, lots of them did have wispy manes and tails. It seemed to me like they really started changing when people started showing them hunt seat and such, then the conformation and color really seemed to change.
I don't know if anyone here would remember or know of Old Savannah Farms in Watha, NC? Maxine Cartwright and her husband, I think he was called CD, bred and showed Apploosas in the late 60s and 70's, the only name that comes to mind right away is "My Gracious" I think he may have been NC state champion leopard appaloosa stallion way back. I do remember thinking he was a beautiful horse, very loud leopard:) gorgeous example of the breed, or at least what I got to see of it in NC.
     

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