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  • How do friesian horses get their gait
  • How keurings work

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    05-09-2012, 03:30 PM
  #11
Yearling
I see where your coming from but it is a little silly to think that a trainer wouldn't work with a horse because of conformation, it would be like one saying they wouldn't with horses with long/short backs. Just because they are rare doesn't mean they should be treated as anything but a horse, Keuring is cool but it is just an inspection, like other breeds have. Cool breed, though everyone has beautiful horses.
     
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    05-09-2012, 07:53 PM
  #12
Foal
Hey I'm still @ the barn hanging out with spider so I won't be home for awhile but when I do I'll answer some questions and post some more topics. Cruiser I understand where your coming from, but if every horse is special and beautiful in its own right than you should respect the people who are looking to this thread to give their Freisian the best chance in life. When I attend my NWFHC meets we talk about many things beyond the Friesian horse. Some of us are a part of FHANA and need to talk about new rules or regulations with keurings, some need help in solving a medical issue they've come across that is native to this breed, and some are looking for propper tack or training methods that could help increase their standing in inspections or shows. It's more than simply the breed as a single animal, Cruiser, it's truly a community of people who come together and share information because they care so much about this breed of horse. I suspect you could respect that. Inspections (keurings) are stressful and grading is cut throat at best, Friesians are inbred to a degree, every foal dropped has an "inbreeding coifeciant" which although the FPS and FHANA try very hard to reduce that number to 0, the fact that bloodlines are so close creates many problems/issues in the breed from medical to physical to mental. This is one of the reasons inspections and grading is so serious, the FPS has to carefully monitor the horses that are breeding the future "Friesian" and because of this Freisian owners are very careful with their breeding/training/healthcare. We want the future of the fresian breed to be bright and therefore we work together to achieve that. :)
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    05-09-2012, 11:21 PM
  #13
Weanling
FINALLY a thread about Friesians, love love love the breed have never met one up close, a purebred one anyhow. Met one that was half friesian half percheron, had one nasty eye on her and had horrible ground manners. Totally her owners fault who treated her like a little child and let her get away with everything.

My goal is to eventually own one of these majestic horses, thier beauty and strength took my breath away the first time I saw one (on tv lol) I have researched the breed, and fallen in love with the breed, now I just need to save up the $$ lol!
     
    05-10-2012, 12:43 AM
  #14
Foal
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Originally Posted by Fahntasia    
FINALLY a thread about Friesians, love love love the breed have never met one up close, a purebred one anyhow. Met one that was half friesian half percheron, had one nasty eye on her and had horrible ground manners. Totally her owners fault who treated her like a little child and let her get away with everything.

My goal is to eventually own one of these majestic horses, thier beauty and strength took my breath away the first time I saw one (on tv lol) I have researched the breed, and fallen in love with the breed, now I just need to save up the $$ lol!
I hope you do Fahntasia. They are quite the animal. :)

[Training]

Okay for beginning topics how about we start off with Keurings? Since fall Keurings are just around the corner, now would be the time to put your horse in training for Keuring prep. Any thoughts on techniques or experienced trainers that have had success with your animal? Personally I'm working with my own trainer (who has shown and trained Friesians for Dressage but has never shown breed or prepped for inspection). However she has a wonderful foundation in classical dressage and its conditioning techniques so we're currently working on using collection from the ground and ground driving as a way to engage a more flexion and extension in the trot. We're currently doing this by encouraging spider to flex at the hock, which naturally causes his forehand to open and extend, however easier said then done, and to condition his gait might be hopefulness on my side, since in all honesty you can't change a horses natural gait in it's entirety. But you can improve upon it, which is what we're doing.

Other useful points of information to contribute:

-Inspection grading system. How important is the trot, vs. the walk?
-Tips in conditioning your horse for inspection. What can you do if you have an out-of-shape Friesian?
-Confirmation? Tips on how to "make up" for known faults in confirmation, and give your horse the best presentation at Keuring.
-Working toward different standings in Studbook. (Ster, croon, Pref., Model, Approved)
     
    05-10-2012, 01:24 AM
  #15
Foal
Keuring Prep: I think there are many ways to prepare. For those lucky enough to have a trainer or be able to send theirhorse out for prep- you are lucky. I live out here in the middle of no where with very few Friesians, so I did all my "prep" on my own. I read books, watched videos, attended other keurings before mine and... trail rode my horse! Yep, Rode in the mountains!

My first suggestion, don't be in a hurry! Since judges are getting tougher, make sure your horse "looks" mature They all mature differently,and I know everyone wants to go at 3, but you can also go at 4 or so for the first time too. Consider waiting a year if your horse still looks like a baby. I went with my mare at 4, and I am SO glad I did. I believe had I gone at 3, she would not have gotten ster. There was a HUGE difference in her at 3 and 4 yo.

Also, as for mares, make sure they are developed and muscled, not overly bulky or anything, but in shape. More than once I have heard the Dutch judges say that we don't "work" our mares. I think they want to see our mare as much in shape as our geldings and stallions. My advice, if your horse is ridable- ride it! Best exercise there is! And consider carefully a decision to try a mare for ster when she has a foal on her. Some will do well, if trained, exercised and fit, but so often baby sucks so much out of mama, that she doesn't look good.

Movement- I think the trot is very important. The walk is too, the definitely look at that, but a short weak walk (what they said about my mare) can be overcome by a long, powerful and high action trot! I agree that the horse's natural gait is going to come to the surface first and foremost. You can definitely improve it. And believe it or not, the person showing the horse (runner, owner, who ever...) can make a difference. You want the horse relaxed enough that they have a natural walk, but at the same time excited enough to "mooove!" If you can run (or have someone who can) I think practicing running your horse to the music you are going to use also helps. They associate the music with showing off and some horses will just perform big time!

And for "Mom" and "Dad"- relax! Have fun!
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    05-10-2012, 02:28 AM
  #16
Foal
Very well said, Kirei. Tip your runners, folks! It'll help out big time. They really are trained to give your horse its best go at being presented. In fact I spoke to one of the ladies in my club about whether to run yourself vs. paying a runner? And she said, "unless your absolutely confident in your ability to present your horse in the most positive and exemplary impression... Then you're better off paying the runner instead." Lol, big time! Truth is, most of the "Runners" and "Whips" follow the touring circuit, with plenty of experience in "presenting" a horse correctly. Personally I would LOVE to learn that job. Especially if it can give an inside look in how to correctly run your own horse. Remember folks, presentation is not just about inspection or even show, it's the ability to bring the best out of your horse, whether that's to a possible buyer, or to your best friend. I just think its a great skill to learn. If anyone has any knowledge of clinics or understudy programs where you work as a Runner or Whip in Keuring tours, or Stallion shows, I would love to find out.
     
    05-10-2012, 03:52 AM
  #17
Started
How much do runners usually cost? I'm short and although I have sprints I don't think I could run Lestat to show him in the best light.
     
    05-10-2012, 04:27 AM
  #18
Foal
Good question! Depending on the site runners can cost anywhere from 15.00 to 50.00. This also a variable over the type of inspection and experience of the runner.

You should call the coordinator/host, at the site you are interested in, to find out the details of what they are offering at that particular site.*.

If you would like to hire a runner/handler, you will be responsible for independently contacting these people prior to the start of the inspection and making arrangements with them.
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Hey guys in addition I found another great resource for keuring info: http://www.friesianhorseclub.com/files/FAQforinspections.pdf
     
    05-10-2012, 06:18 AM
  #19
Yearling
Wow, talk about a timely thread and with great information! I just purchased a Friesian cross gelding that I was told came from Canada. He has a microchip, and I am going to try and run down his history that way. He was a carriage horse, but we are planning on using him on the trails.
     
    05-11-2012, 01:36 AM
  #20
Started
Great! I have no idea about any local ish shows but I'm curious of course. Is there a limited number of times to show in a Kuering?
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