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    05-11-2012, 10:44 AM
If your in Wa then the Wa keuring is usually in Monroe, at the Emerald Arena. And if you have multiple horses to show, then yes you can set them up to all be inspected at different times (since inspects happen in groups ie. Geldings, stallions, mares, and mare with foal.) however no, you can not show the same horse twice during the same inspection. You only get one chance a year, that's why keurings are taken so seriously. However you can bring that same horse back next year to be re-inspected with the possibility of changing its standing in the stud book. :)

I'll post some more keuring info later, right now I gotta deal with my own hairy boy.
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    05-11-2012, 04:16 PM
That's what I was wondering if it's a once a year type thing or if it's a once only ever and never again thing. I was looking into taking Lestat as a yearling since he did go as a weanling and seeing how he stood but only if he's shed out and a pretty boy by the time that rolls around. Besides that I had plans to take him yearly for experience and because currently that's my only breed show option besides schooling shows in halter since Donida canceled all of there from drama some crazy lady started last year.
    05-11-2012, 04:35 PM
Undortualnately if he was already inspected and recorded into the foal book as a foal, then the FHANA won't need to see him again until three. Fillies however can be shown at a year, because the grading for females is different than males. Females have more grading within the stud book, you can make Ster, Prefferent, Croon, and Model. The boys however are split between geldings and studs, and geldings can only make Ster I think... Or can they make Pref? (someone check me on this?) while the studs can make Ster, Pref., and Approved. (excluding sport predicates here.)

I'm actually still learning the grading system myself since it is fairly complex. (which is why studying the FHANA rules and regulations are so important.) Apparently you can fall within "bad standing" with the FPS/FHANA. Although I would expect you'd have to do something really bad to warrant that (like breeding your star stud to mares within his bloodline...) If someone can find some good resources on Keuring gradings, can you post them here?

So anyway, I'm not sure, but I think you "can" send ur yearling to keuring this year, but I don't think it's needed since the FHANA would want to see him as he's matured at three, since in their view little would have changed between weanling and a year. Mares however are a different tale, although why they track the mares maturity more so than the colts, I'm not too sure. Again can someone check me on this, to make sure this info is correct. I don't own any mares myself, so I want to make sure that I'm giving the correct info according to the FHANA.

Also on a related note, is this the same set up for Part-bred friesians? (grading and keuring)
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    05-11-2012, 05:03 PM
He's in the foal book because of his father but he's never been inspected ever. He's registered foal book because Nannings foals are automatically accepted in before inspections from what I understand. Looking into it he's never been to a keuring or inspection. The only thing I've ever shown him in is a halter class from the April schooling show down the street from me. His breeder broke her back shortly before keurings and couldn't handle taking two colts so she took his cousin.
His next option for inspection would be stallion I suppose but being he's never been inspected before I don't know how that would work.

Edit: just noticed my stupid computer decided DIDN'T wasn't ok and put DID instead. To clarify he DIDN'T go to any inspections as a weanling.

For bad standing from what I understand would be breeding to an unapproved mare and fhana doesn't approve outside breeds or cross breeding so anything besides pure friesian blood would be unapproved and I guess you can get booted? That's what I've heard and read. I question it however because for a stud that isn't proven yet (such as a 3 year old) how to do begin his breeding and foal crop if you can only breed to approved mares (friesians) and on that level, who with an approved mare would be willing to breed to a beginner stallion to help him start his foal crop? I don't understand this.
    05-11-2012, 05:13 PM
Youll have to excuse me, im posting from my iphone here. Not meaning to double post.

*Edit for Drafts4Ever* okay I understand now. I didn't know that he hadnt been inspected yet. That changes things. Then yes they'd need to see him in person. I would however contact the FHANA rep for WA (I don't remember her name off the top of my head) and inform them prior to inspection your circomatances. Tell the. That he hasn't been inspected (didn't receive a premie) and you are planning on having him inspected at a year old. This is smart because he would have changed too much at three, and like I said earlier the judges don't see much difference between weanling and a yearling. :)

Relating back to what Kerei said earlier, I think the most important thing to consider before deciding to jump on the keuring band wagon, is whether or not your horse is ready. Deciding to wait a year is NEVER a bad thing. Remember this isn't a horse show, it's not about ribbons or trophies. (although you are awarded ribbons at the end, lol.) Its about parenting your horse for grading and placement into the stud book. So keurings are very personal. The Friesian community is great (we really are a great group of people) and are more than willing to give you advice and tips on how to prepare yourself, but ultimately it's all about your hOrse. And when he's running in front of judges it's all about him or her, lol. The FPS juggles are very few (I'm sure there's less than 10, maybe less than 5) but they are masters of the Friesian breed. They can see things you would never see (until they point it out lol) so don't get too disappointed if they point out faults. They do this so you can improve upon them for next years keuring, and they do expect you to do best by your horse and present better next year. Because the Judges never change, some of them get personally familiar with some horses and "expect" a better presentation next year. Also remember that although you can improve your horse through training and conditioning, the judges will be able to see past all that for his real quality. It's hard to explain but all judges want to see an athletic horse that loves to move, and even if you get your f
Friesian bulging with muscle like a QH (please don't do this, lol) and stepping like a Tenessee Walker (Don't do this ether) they can see past all the add "bells and whistles" to the real movement and confirmation of the animal. That's why I find it important to remember not to try and "change" your Friesian for keuring (using strange tools or suppliments to artificially enhance) but to work through time and effort into a better presentation of the Friesian breed. Also this goes without saying but your not aloud to use silicone or otherwise "show" coat enhancers for keuring. Normally not even shoes, although you can, but if they're enhanced in any way they'll ask you to remove them and try again next year. Truly the Judges want to see a "natural" horse but not obviously a horse you picked out of the field that morning. So it sounds comicated but we all need to walk that line between "improvement" and "destruction," and I personally would love to hear some feedback or personal experiences on that matter.
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    05-11-2012, 05:29 PM
His breeder is high on the FHANA board so I can talk to her. I'm tossing a yearling keuring around in my head for two reasons and right now I'm thinking more towards a two year old maybe.
From the huge rule book I have printed it says injuries what not will not count against but personally believe it all depends on how he's matured through them. To me his shoulder injury has healed, vets say he's made a full recovery however the muscle tone is still noticeably different since he wasn't actively using his right shoulder for a good 3 months. Now that he's been able to get out run buck play and start his training he's coming back but there's still a small difference. On top of that his scar on his ankle is there, slowly disappearing as he grows and he has a huge crack/dent/gash growing out of his hoof. No problems caused by either but they are still noticeable blemishes.

Besides that he still has his sun burn baby fur patches all over him and after this May open breed show he'll be getting a full body shave down to the knees. His most noticeably baby fluff is his muttonchops. His face has shed out to a nice black black except for a line stretching along his jaw. Muttonchops! Kuerings start in September I believe? I'll have to double check.

As for his movement he's been ready since he was a weanling, just wasn't able to go because of her injury. His trot is great and we've been working on his movement since I show him in halter, he's natural and prancy, great extention. I'm not too worried about that being that I prefer to go into something even as personal as a keuring looking at it from a neutral point. I'm not trying to match to other colts but I want to see what mine comes in at with all the work and progress he's made. Again though his noticeable blemishes hold me back.
    05-11-2012, 06:45 PM
That's a good way to look at it. Like I tried to say earlier (unless my phones autocorrect was being a douche, lol) is that keurings are personal. It's not about competing against other horses (although some people see it this way) Everyone wants their horse to do the best it can, so be sure to pay attention to the judges, and if they give you advice please listen. They really do know what they're talking about. Also don't be afraid to approach them and ask questions. They'll see that as you being proactive about your horse, and be more willing to answer questions or speak with you later. As always, be polite and take criticism as a way to promote your horse next year. No one has the perfect horse, I'll betcha on that. :)

D4E (I hope you don't mind me calling you that) I would consult the WA rep about whether you should present him at one or two. What I'm worried about is that the judges want make a record of your horse as a baby, and if you wait until two they might think he's already past the window of preferability. I'm sure they'd accept him regardless because the judges would want to inspect him, but since it would be unusual circomstances I'd notice them ahead of time. (although I doubt you are the first one to do this, so they would have the correct information for you.)
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    05-11-2012, 06:49 PM
Sounds good to me! I'll ask about it.
I don't mind you calling me that! No worries!
    05-11-2012, 07:04 PM
Email sent! After I hit send I thought that maybe I should have attached a picture but if she needs one I'll send one later.
    05-11-2012, 07:28 PM
Cool I'm interested with what they'll say. If its not too personal could you post your answer here? That way anyone else with similar issues can have possible solutions.
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