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    02-02-2013, 05:36 PM
  #11
Green Broke
I don't see what all the hype is. Yes, they have an excellent temperament but so do many other breeds of horses. A rip off trainer just sold a gypsy horse here for $18,000. This horse did WTC, no lateral work, no collection, no nothing. Oh, and he has another mare for $11,000 who again does wtc only, bucks people off and has not had a single successful pregnancy out of 5. You know what I can get with 11-18k? A finished reiner competing at a national level. It's just ridiculous the prices of these horses who's only real talent is running up the hay bill.
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    02-02-2013, 06:02 PM
  #12
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It is always interesting to me, that (so far) I have never, ever seen any Gypsy Horse owner, come on this forum or any other, to run down the breed of choice for others. Yet, just as the poster above, we constantly see those in other breeds, taking great pleasure, in running down Gypsies.

Grow up! Allow other equine enthusiasts to love the breed/s they own. Most Gypsy owners came from, or still own, other breeds. I happen to love Saddlebreds and if I were younger, they would still be my breed of choice again. Enjoy your reiners and allow the rest of us, to enjoy our breeds without having to say something nasty.

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    02-02-2013, 06:07 PM
  #13
Yearling
FeatheredFeet, I am just wondering what you think is the difference between a Gypsy cob and a cob in the UK?
     
    02-02-2013, 06:17 PM
  #14
Started
A 'cob' can be a heavier boned type horse, of any breed or breeds. A true 'Gypsy Cob', is a horse of a particular look and background. A true Gypsy 'Vanner', is just a Gypsy Cob, who happens to be registered in the Vanner registry. While many seem to think all Gypsies are 'Vanners' these days, it is far from the truth. The majority of us, do not register our horses in that registry. It was just started by a fellow in Florida who had a gift for immense advertising.

Most of us call our Gypsies, Cobs or Horses. In most European countries, they are known as 'Tinkers'.

A relative of mine in Wales, also breeds Welsh Cobs - another type of 'cob'.
In the late 1800's and early 1900's, my maternal grandfather in Bedwellty, Wales, also bred Welsh Cobs.

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    02-02-2013, 06:34 PM
  #15
Yearling
I wasn't counting welsh cobs which are predominantly welsh cs and ds. There is no registry in the UK for Gypsy cobs. Most Gypsy horses in the UK are just called cobs and shown in cob classes, a lot of them are starting to get more of a blood line now as well.
     
    02-02-2013, 06:34 PM
  #16
Yearling
I think the reason people seem to "bash" the gypsies is the OUTRAGEOUS prices the breeders ask for them. Do a search on dreamhorse and you rarely find anything less than $4,500. On the first page there's a mare in foal that has done NOTHING but make babies for $15,500. I can see that price for a horse that's actually DONE something. But not a broodie. Not of ANY breed unless she's retired or has near perfect conformation and highly sought after bloodlines.

There's a gelding that's broke to ride/drive but has horrid conformation, yet they're still asking $15,000. WHY? You just DON'T see those types of prices for horses that haven't done a whole lot. My gelding rides and is started on the barrel pattern. He's pretty, doesn't have the best conformation. Yet I could probably barely get $1,000 for him. What makes gypsies so special to command those ridiculous prices? Because they're hairy? And spotty? And pretty? I like them, I really do. But I really just don't understand the prices,
     
    02-02-2013, 06:46 PM
  #17
Green Broke
I'm 100% with Kassierae! I like gypsy horses. I've worked with and ridden several. They are comfortable, level headed, sweet, intelligent and packed with personality! From hands on experience I know they make excellent therapy horses! I'd love to throw one in front of a cart one day, they are very flashy! Sorry, I tend to use reining as my example but I can dig out loads of other $15,000 horses with plenty of accomplishments under their belts. I just can't see shelling out the money, but I guess if people want to that's their prerogative. In my eyes I just don't see why they come with such a high price tag.
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    02-02-2013, 06:51 PM
  #18
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Just like in any breed, if you look around, I think you will find the outrageous prices and the reasonable. We have sold our youngsters for very reasonable prices, compared to some advertised. And yes, our breeding stock were extremely expensive, when adding upwards of $10-$12 thousand dollars for the importing fees. Some of our breeding stock, were also picked on trips to the UK. Most people I think, look at a very few websites of those who have enormous advertising budgets and have their horses priced accordingly. But there are thousands of Gypsy breeders in the US, who have lovely stock, but don't ask or command, some of the prices of others. And there again, one wonders if some ever actually get, the prices asked. As in any breed, it's all about the homework one does and not necessarily just looking at the first ads which might appear on google. Our shows are also very well attended, with sometimes over 100 horses entered.

There must be about 40,000 Gypsies in the US now, so few are importing. The majority have known backgrounds and DNA'd backgrounds. Our world-wide Gypsy DNA project is immense. This includes Gypsies in the UK, the US and all European countries. I believe there are two registries in the UK now.

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    02-02-2013, 06:56 PM
  #19
Yearling
Rarely in my breeds of choice(Minis, appaloosas, paints/quarter horses) do you see a horse that has done nothing for those prices. Rarely. In those breeds a horse has to actually DO something to be worth those kinds of prices. Heck, even most prospects of excellent quality stock and bloodlines don't even sell for that kind of money!

Edit: Yes, if you look around, you will find them. But that's the point I'm trying to make, you don't have to look around to find those ridiculous prices for the gypsies. It's all over.
     
    02-02-2013, 07:11 PM
  #20
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One of the highest priced Minis I knew, sold for $100,000. As far as I know, he hadn't done anything. Didn't even have a known pedigree for more than a couple of generations. He is gone now and sired a whole ton of offspring.

Every breed have their enthusiasts. If one wants one of a particular breed, and if one has the money, as in the case of that Mini, I suppose it is up to the buyer, as to how much he/she pays. Nobody else's business really.

We like our Gypsies, just as we like other equine breeds. For many years, I have attended the Cutting Horse championships. Very exciting, but I wouldn't expect a Gypsy to excel at it, although quite a few in the
US, do it for their owners. This, just as I wouldn't expect a QH, to pull a caravan, weighing over a ton. Gypsies love to jump but I wouldn't expect to see them competing in higher levels. Each breed has their own area of expertise, if well bred and given the chance. Many can do a lot of things, but not necessarily make a name for themselves at it.

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