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    10-17-2011, 11:30 AM
  #11
Green Broke
Back in the day Hancocks had their place. When horses were tools to get a job done and not pets. You made a big circle pounding rocks, you didn't trailer out in the morning, you trotted out from the barn and trotted back at the end of the day. And you didn't have the means to switch horses mid-day. Good cowboys were measured by their ability to ride a tough horse instead of now by being a good horseman(along with being a good cowman). Back then you needed a tough horse to work all day and mash around.
Times have changed, the need of the horse has changed.

I have not been a big fan of the Hancock horses. The first colt I ever started as a young teenager was a Hancock colt...it definitely left an impression! Lol.
Another one that sticks in my mind is a Hancock mare that was 5 years old sent to several different guys to start and ended up with a guy I was working for a summer in Oklahoma. I had never seen a horse deliberatley hurt it self just not to do what you ask. To get her broke enough to ride we put a running W on her, (this guy was very old fashioned in her method of colt starting) we got her broke enough to ride and promptly sent her back. Why ride a bad horse when are so many good ones!

I'm not saying all of them are like this....
     
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    10-17-2011, 11:31 AM
  #12
Trained
I've watched the clips of your film that were on youtube and I quite enjoyed them. I have had a similar job the last two summers with the exception that my home is a camp trailer and it's not as remote. The terrain is quite similar and of course the work is the same.
     
    10-17-2011, 11:42 AM
  #13
Foal
I agree

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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
Back in the day Hancocks had their place. When horses were tools to get a job done and not pets. You made a big circle pounding rocks, you didn't trailer out in the morning, you trotted out from the barn and trotted back at the end of the day. And you didn't have the means to switch horses mid-day. Good cowboys were measured by their ability to ride a tough horse instead of now by being a good horseman(along with being a good cowman). Back then you needed a tough horse to work all day and mash around.
Times have changed, the need of the horse has changed.

I have not been a big fan of the Hancock horses. The first colt I ever started as a young teenager was a Hancock colt...it definitely left an impression! Lol.
Another one that sticks in my mind is a Hancock mare that was 5 years old sent to several different guys to start and ended up with a guy I was working for a summer in Oklahoma. I had never seen a horse deliberatley hurt it self just not to do what you ask. To get her broke enough to ride we put a running W on her, (this guy was very old fashioned in her method of colt starting) we got her broke enough to ride and promptly sent her back. Why ride a bad horse when are so many good ones!

I'm not saying all of them are like this....

Riding a horse that is on the edge of bucking all day is not a nice experience

I often have $5,000 worth of camera in my hand - trying to hit the ground body first and camera second is an unsettling affair.

Two things you want from a horse - one is to not dump you and the other is to stop when you ask

After that everything else is an added bonus

When I first arrived at the Pitchfork they did the usual trick of asking me if I could ride a horse

"yes" - was my answer

Wrong answer

"yes I can ride a gentle horse" was what I should have said

So they gave me the biggest sod on the place - my goodness they did laugh when it tried to dump me three times in one day

Riding along as gentle as you like.... suddenly.... wammo

I missed a day's filming because I had to leave the camera by the truck while I dealt with the horse

I explained to the lads over a beer that I was there to work as well - then they gave me a much steadier horse to ride

But I learned a lot from those two guys - they taught me how to trim feet and how to shoe a horse

Lovely, lovely blokes once they accepted me as a fellow horseman

Dylan

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    10-17-2011, 11:52 AM
  #14
Foal
thanks

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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
I've watched the clips of your film that were on youtube and I quite enjoyed them. I have had a similar job the last two summers with the exception that my home is a camp trailer and it's not as remote. The terrain is quite similar and of course the work is the same.
the dvds are now pretty old so I put them on a website where they are available for free to watch or download in chunks

It always makes me laugh

If a Brit says he "quite" likes something then it really means he was bored sideways by it. I hope that was an American quite rather than a British quite

I must say it was a brilliant summer - fantastic scenery, great horses, lovely people - the only thing that took the edge off the experience was that the ranch is about 50 miles from Yellowstone. Whenever a bear got too easy going around people they tranquilised the bear and helicoptered it to a "less sensitive area" which is where I was sleeping in a tent.

When out hacking around the woods and forests near my home in the UK I often think how grateful I am that we don't have any bears in the UK.

The thoguht that crazy bears were around really took the edge off my enjoyment.

Never went anywhere without bear spray and the cowboys told me that if I see a bear when I am on a horse start looking for a good downhill route.

Dylan

PS - they gave me a pump action shotgum to sleep with

rmc 03 gathering the herds If you like horses
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    10-17-2011, 11:55 AM
  #15
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
...Why ride a bad horse when are so many good ones!....
My thought exactly!
Dylan, have you seen this flick?
Rough Riders (TV 1997) - IMDb
You'll enjoy the bronc scene in it.
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    10-17-2011, 11:59 AM
  #16
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by dylan winter    
riding a horse that is on the edge of bucking all day is not a nice experience

I often have $5,000 worth of camera in my hand - trying to hit the ground body first and camera second is an unsettling affair.

Two things you want from a horse - one is to not dump you and the other is to stop when you ask

After that everything else is an added bonus

When I first arrived at the Pitchfork they did the usual trick of asking me if I could ride a horse

"yes" - was my answer

Wrong answer

"yes I can ride a gentle horse" was what I should have said

So they gave me the biggest sod on the place - my goodness they did laugh when it tried to dump me three times in one day

Riding along as gentle as you like.... suddenly.... wammo

I missed a day's filming because I had to leave the camera by the truck while I dealt with the horse

I explained to the lads over a beer that I was there to work as well - then they gave me a much steadier horse to ride

But I learned a lot from those two guys - they taught me how to trim feet and how to shoe a horse

Lovely, lovely blokes once they accepted me as a fellow horseman

Dylan

rmc 25 the dunnie If you like horses

Great story! Being the "new guy" is a lot like being hazed in a college frat house! I've had hats thrown under my colts, come back down to the barn to find my horse saddled backwards, hearts painted on my horse butt with a pink chalk stick, have my bridle pulled off while trotting along, etc. lol Its all in fun, then soon enough you get to do it to someone else!
     
    10-17-2011, 12:12 PM
  #17
Foal
Horse play

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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
Great story! Being the "new guy" is a lot like being hazed in a college frat house! I've had hats thrown under my colts, come back down to the barn to find my horse saddled backwards, hearts painted on my horse butt with a pink chalk stick, have my bridle pulled off while trotting along, etc. lol Its all in fun, then soon enough you get to do it to someone else!

As a Brit riding horses in the states I have obviously come in for a bit of stick - I have heard every joke about postage stamps and plough reining you can ever imagine

A few years ago now I rode the length of the Oregon trail on two horses I bought in Kansas - travelled with some poeple with wagons for a while

I came back to the campsite after watering my horses... riding one bareback and leading the other

Suddenly I found all sorts of buckets and cans being thrown at me

Only had a head collar on the riding horse

He took off, barrelled around a corner and I had to bale out befor he got to the gate. I knew he was going to stop but I was sure that I would not be able to stay on board without a saddle

Very frightening and I landed fairly badly

The next few days travelling were really painful

However....

One of the blokes on the wagon train got very upset on my behalf and balled the other guys out

It turned out that his oldest daughter, mother of two lovely little boys, was out trail riding with a group of friends.

One of her fellow horse riders came past and yanked the bridle off her horse. The horse took off and she eventually parted company with the horse close to a roadside crash barrier

She hit her head and died on the spot

The bloke was doing the Oregon trail in an effort to forget what happened to his daughter and the bucket incident with my horses kicked off a lot of flashbacks for him

So....

Horse play can get out of hand

Dylan


PS The journey along the Oregon trail with the paint and the app was a job I did for the BBC - it ended up as nine half hour radio shows

I could put them up on the website if anyone is interested
     
    10-17-2011, 12:40 PM
  #18
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by dylan winter    
if a Brit says he "quite" likes something then it really means he was bored sideways by it. I hope that was an American quite rather than a British quite
It was an american "quite". I really enjoyed them!
     
    10-17-2011, 12:45 PM
  #19
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by dylan winter    
When out hacking around the woods and forests near my home in the UK I often think how grateful I am that we don't have any bears in the UK.

The thought that crazy bears were around really took the edge off my enjoyment.
One reason I'm glad I live in Indiana. No bears here either! I'm pretty sure I'd ruin my saddle if I came across one
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    10-17-2011, 12:45 PM
  #20
Foal
bless you my son

Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
It was an american "quite". I really enjoyed them!

That is a bit of a relief then

Language is a funny thing

Two nations divided by a language and all that

Spanner/wrench

Pavement/sidewalk

Tarmac/blacktop

And that is before we get into horse words

Dylan
     

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