hey color guru's!! i'm curious! - Page 2

       The Horse Forum > Horse Breeds, Breeding, and Genetics > Horse Breeds

hey color guru's!! i'm curious!

This is a discussion on hey color guru's!! i'm curious! within the Horse Breeds forums, part of the Horse Breeds, Breeding, and Genetics category

LinkBack Thread Tools
    06-13-2010, 04:31 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by CheyAut    
She's appy, 'nuff said.

Lp, the appy gene, does some funky things to color. If she weren't appy, she'd be normal grulla ;)
yes, that's very true, there is no other explanation for it! If she's got a gene that makes her spotty, then who knows what else it can do. I've heard of appies that don't even look spotted until they have shed out for the summer, their winter coat just looks dappled.
Sponsored Links
    06-13-2010, 05:37 AM
Nah, appies still look spotted in the winter, albeit it depends on the pattern type.

There was a website with apparently her owners who said she did have another modifier? I think they said another dilute of some sort. I don't know if it was speculation or fact though. Because they didn't name it, I suspect speculation.
    06-13-2010, 08:54 AM
Green Broke
Yeah I posted the website on the first post above the pictures. They said they Dna tested her for gulla and they said they think another modifier may be affecting her but they have no idea what it could be. One sec and i'll go copy the paragraph and post it
DNA tested Black with Dun So she is a grulla!!!
Ee aa Dd Ava probably has another modifier that lighten her coat

This mare is very close to being 16. Hands tall. She is a very brave horse, with allot of energy.
She truly is an Appaloosa Sport Horse. After she starts training we will find out what her discipline talents are.
If you look back at her foal photos you can see that she has changed from having a black mane and tail to the white one she has now. It is hard to believe that is mare really is a black and white. She can produce black and white foals.
She is registered with the International Pattern Sport Horse Registry, because she is an Appaloosa Sport Horse.
She is also be registered Friesian Heritage Horse & Sport Horse International. She has gone through some homely stages growing up, but she is now a big gorgeous mare! "
and here is another one they posd on a different page that's much smaller lol
DNA tested Black with Dun So she is a grulla!!!
Ee aa Dd She has other modifiers that lighten her coat"
    06-13-2010, 01:37 PM
Originally Posted by DressageIsToDance    
Nah, appies still look spotted in the winter, albeit it depends on the pattern type.

There was a website with apparently her owners who said she did have another modifier? I think they said another dilute of some sort. I don't know if it was speculation or fact though. Because they didn't name it, I suspect speculation.
Very dependent of pattern, and other modifiers.

I had a red roan appy (red roan as in a TRUE roan... not the Lp roan) who would lose his spots in the winter and turn 'pink' (his red body hairs were more visible in the winter, he actually appeared to be just a simply red roan in the winter)... in the summer his body went 'white' with red roan spots on him.

He always had his solid points - red head, mane, tail and legs.
    06-14-2010, 01:30 AM
Well, that's very true, lastunicorn, but then again, this is different than just winter changing a horses's color. We have a dark bay roan draft cross at my barn who doesn't look roan at all in the winter, but when he sheds out it is very apparent...but with this mare, obviously the hairs have changed colors entirely, not just the seasons causing it to vary.
    06-14-2010, 02:43 AM
I realize that roans change seasonally... what I found interesting is that you couldn't see this colt's spots at all for half the year. He looked like a roan QH.

I know many other Appies that look nothing like their foal photos.

One of my family's fillies was born a solid black (only one dime sized white spot on her hip... and a sock) she's now a mostly grey horse with black spots. She has no grey parent - so she's not grey at all. She's getting more spots every year and she's getting more white hairs too.

We have a gelding here who was born a really classic rich bay with blanket/and spots - he's slowly turning leopard (in looks), which is what his mother did as well. In the process he's kept his black points (so still obviously a bay) - but his body coat has changed in some areas to a interesting shade of red and you can see the emerging spots underneath in that darker brown (bay) color he used to be.

I've seen many other cases where the Lp gene causes the coat pattern to change so much you wouldn't know it's the same horse... which is why I suspect something similar is going on in the OP's case.
    06-14-2010, 10:29 AM
Green Broke
TheLastUnicorn i'd love to see pictures of those appies!! They sound like Varnish Roans though. Especially they bay. Because they can retain spots. You can have a fully colored appy(with no white) and it can slowly roan off to become a leopard appaloosa with color points. As for the Black one that to is Varnish roan and I believe that's whats going to happen to my colt (or at least i'm hoping! I want some form of appaloosa characteristcs!) if you go to the website and look around there are a few others that changed pretty good in color but nothing as drastic as the oen I posted. One sec and i'll go look up more and post them as well.
    06-14-2010, 10:39 AM
Green Broke
See there is this one that was born with a blanket.
At 2 weeks old

And a more recent one you can see the pattern is getting bigger and bigger

Here is this one at 3 doys old

And his little pattern

Him at a year old

At 2 years old

And now at 3 years old

Now the funny thing about this horse. Is this one and the original one I posted are half sisters!!
    06-14-2010, 11:51 AM
^ Yes, at least the filly I'm talking about is a Varnish. I don't have photos of them to post as they aren't actually "my" horses, so I'll need to ask permission. It was funny actually, because my sister REALLY wanted a SOLID black horse (don't ask me why) and was thrilled when this filly was born solid... and majorly bummed by the time she shed her foal coat into a funny grey/black pattern. (she also lost her mane and tail about then LOL )

She has a full sister who has a Snowcap... she hasn't changed from that - she gets a few more white hairs in the summer than the winter, but she's still a black filly with a white rump.

Dam is a classic Varnish... born solid bay and by three she has odd roany patches all along her topline and hips, with some 'rub marks' on her face (not real rub marks.. just those smudgey markings they get). As far as markings go they really make her look rather homely, it's a shame because she's a really nice little horse. (she too lacks a mane and tail... it doesn't help her 'image'). That little mare did everything, and jumped to 4'.

Their sire is actually the bay w/blanket I was talking about, before he was gelded. I don't think he is actually varnish. He's not getting any of the typical varnishing marks, he's just losing his solid bay coat in place of white with spots. I've found the effect doesn't turn up in photos quite as well as in person, but think of a movie 'fade in' and that's sort of the impression you get from his spots.

HIS dam looked like a leopard at the age of 3 (saw photos of her). She was born a mostly spotted blanket, and by 3 you'd have never guessed she had any solid on her at all.

HIS sire was a stunning bay with blanket and spots. He was changing at a much slower rate.

I was told that you can expect all horses with the Lp gene to change or shift pattern at some point in their life. Some do it to an extreme, others hardly change at all... I have no idea how true it is on the 'whole', all I can say my experiences with Lp is that it's an absolutely crazy gene and can do just about anything.

I'll see if I can get permissions to post my family's appies though... and I'll have to dig to see if I can find any foal pics.
    06-14-2010, 06:00 PM
Appy colors and patterns can definitely be unpredictable. What looks like a fewspot could end up...well, not so few spotted later!

Quick Reply
Please help keep the Horse Forum enjoyable by reporting rude posts.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.

User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:


Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.

Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Foal Color, help me guess what color he'll shed out.. frogtree Horse Breeding 11 04-25-2012 11:29 PM
Curious Mingiz Horse Talk 18 03-31-2010 11:37 PM
Just curious about him too? WildHeartsCantBeBroken Horses for Sale 13 01-24-2010 05:35 PM
Just curious.... Horsegirl1992 Horse Breeds 6 05-02-2008 12:00 AM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:18 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0