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    11-19-2012, 05:18 PM
  #1
Foal
How to tell if my horse has a Curly Gene?

So I could be totally wrong, but my pony (compared to my other pony) has a different mane texture (really wavy) and when he gets wet, unlike my other pony who's fur just slicks down, his fur gets curly?

Is it just random or is this possibly a recessive Curly trait?
He's a Hackney Pony X Morgan,

I will post pictures if people think its possible

Thanks!
     
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    11-19-2012, 05:20 PM
  #2
Trained
Do you know for certain his breeding? It is possible that he could inherit recessive curls from having Curly breeding in his lines.

What does he look like in the winter? Fetlock hair? Normal body hair?

Please post pictures.
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    11-19-2012, 05:33 PM
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Weanling
I had a gelding that was like that and he was registered QH. In the winter his coat had almost a feathered look to it when we had those warmer days when the hair would normally lay down.
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    11-20-2012, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CLaPorte432    
Do you know for certain his breeding? It is possible that he could inherit recessive curls from having Curly breeding in his lines.

What does he look like in the winter? Fetlock hair? Normal body hair?

Please post pictures.
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Originally Posted by MysterySparrow    
I had a gelding that was like that and he was registered QH. In the winter his coat had almost a feathered look to it when we had those warmer days when the hair would normally lay down.

I have no idea about his breeding, He was my pony when I was 13, (even though I still own him) but when I was 13 I cared more about getting a pony than where he came from, and any of his records from the sale are not helpful, he seems to be a lost rescue horse.

Right now his winter coat when its not wet is just normal, when like it snows a little and melts on his back, the area that was wetted curls tightly,
His mane has grown and waves and curls at the tips.

Heres his Forelock & mane for now, I'll get his other area later:


     
    11-20-2012, 10:49 AM
  #5
Weanling
If I'm not mistaken, I think I read that the Curly Horse breed originated from stock horse and mustang foals that were spontaneously born with a curly coat. If that's the case, then it wouldn't be impossible for a crossbred pony to be curly.

I admit that I have virtually no knowledge of curly traits beyond that, but from the pictures it looks to me like your horse just has a bit of wave in his mane. I once knew a Paint who had a very wavy mane. I don't think it's very unusual but it is beautiful.
     
    11-20-2012, 12:11 PM
  #6
Foal
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Originally Posted by WalnutPixie    
If I'm not mistaken, I think I read that the Curly Horse breed originated from stock horse and mustang foals that were spontaneously born with a curly coat. If that's the case, then it wouldn't be impossible for a crossbred pony to be curly.

I admit that I have virtually no knowledge of curly traits beyond that, but from the pictures it looks to me like your horse just has a bit of wave in his mane. I once knew a Paint who had a very wavy mane. I don't think it's very unusual but it is beautiful.
Interesting, Well my understanding of the Curly breed is, just like in people (even though people don't have breeds XD) its a gene that can be shown in any breed, but is most common in breeds is purposely bred for, like the Baskhir Curly, American Curly Horse, etc.
     
    11-20-2012, 12:26 PM
  #7
Foal
I have some extra Photos that were asked for;

Overall Photo:


Up Close of his back Waves:


His Fetlocks



His tail (which I don't think looks very curly? Just locked?)


I have heard before that curly comes in variations, like the lowest on is just curly ears, then mane/tail, then full body.....

But here's his ears:



So idk.
I tried to wet his back to get his fur to curly, but he didn't want me to, so I stopped and didn't get it wet enough, maybe if it rains/snows again I'll get a picture.
     
    11-20-2012, 01:13 PM
  #8
Weanling
You know, actually, could it be possible that he has Cushing's disease? Please don't take this the wrong way, but he is pretty overweight and long curly hair like that is supposed to be an indication of Cushing's disease in horses. I hadn't thought about it until I saw these most recent pictures.

Here's something interesting I found when I googled it:

"Myth: Every curly-haired horse is a bona fide Curly.

Truth: They're not. Non-Curly horses with Cushing's disease have curly hair coats, too. Cushing's disease is caused by a pituitary problem. Afflicted individuals grow lots of long, curly, slow-to-shed hair that feels coarse and brittle to the touch, unlike a healthy Curly's fine, soft coat.



Horses suffering from Cushing's disease don't display secondary Curly characteristics such as soft, calm, heavy-lidded, almond-shaped eyes; small, crescent-shaped nostrils; proportionally short, broad, and shapely ears; and narrow, somewhat upright, hard and ultradurable 'mule feet.' "


That was taken from here, in case you're interested:

Dreamswept Farm - Articles - The Truth about Curlies




Maybe you should look into having him diagnosed by a vet? Again I don't in any way mean that in a negative sense. He's obviously well taken care of and happy from the looks of those pictures, but he certainly has the body type and, if I'm understanding correctly, age to be a Cushing's suspect. There's a lot you can do with diet and exercise to make an Insulin Resistant horse healthy again and I assume the same can be said for a horse with Cushing's.
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    11-20-2012, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by WalnutPixie    
You know, actually, could it be possible that he has Cushing's disease? Please don't take this the wrong way, but he is pretty overweight and long curly hair like that is supposed to be an indication of Cushing's disease in horses. I hadn't thought about it until I saw these most recent pictures.

Here's something interesting I found when I googled it:

"Myth: Every curly-haired horse is a bona fide Curly.

Truth: They're not. Non-Curly horses with Cushing's disease have curly hair coats, too. Cushing's disease is caused by a pituitary problem. Afflicted individuals grow lots of long, curly, slow-to-shed hair that feels coarse and brittle to the touch, unlike a healthy Curly's fine, soft coat.



Horses suffering from Cushing's disease don't display secondary Curly characteristics such as soft, calm, heavy-lidded, almond-shaped eyes; small, crescent-shaped nostrils; proportionally short, broad, and shapely ears; and narrow, somewhat upright, hard and ultradurable 'mule feet.' "


That was taken from here, in case you're interested:

Dreamswept Farm - Articles - The Truth about Curlies




Maybe you should look into having him diagnosed by a vet? Again I don't in any way mean that in a negative sense. He's obviously well taken care of and happy from the looks of those pictures, but he certainly has the body type and, if I'm understanding correctly, age to be a Cushing's suspect. There's a lot you can do with diet and exercise to make an Insulin Resistant horse healthy again and I assume the same can be said for a horse with Cushing's.

Well, he was told by my vet to be a perfect weight, the picture I have shown here was at a downward angle, he's only 13.0hh, I'm 5'8' (I don't ride him)

Here's a better view of him:


But also, that seems to explain the curly breed, the whole
"Horses suffering from Cushing's disease don't display secondary Curly characteristics such as soft, calm, heavy-lidded, almond-shaped eyes; small, crescent-shaped nostrils; proportionally short, broad, and shapely ears; and narrow, somewhat upright, hard and ultradurable 'mule feet.'"
Part sounds like an explanation of the Curly Horse breed not the Curly Gene, which wouldn't be very reliable since he's a Hackney X Morgan and isn't supposed to fall under those specifications, plus he's a Pony, which have very different characteristic than a Curly Horse, which are stock horse types.

Thanks for the info anyway.
     
    11-21-2012, 12:45 AM
  #10
Weanling
Whoa, no way! It's like there are two different horses. I guess that must have just been a very deceiving angle. I stand corrected O.O
     

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