I need your help!

Hi everyone i need your help. I live in the UK and paint horses are few and far between, Apache is actually the first i've seen! so i need your opinion of him, hes just turned 4 yrs, also on his registration with the apha he is listed as a sorrel tobiano but reading up on patterns i believe he is a tovero? dad was a tobiano, mum was a overo. I have 2 tb mares in foal to him at the moment they are both fully registered with the jockey club so who would i register the foals with? and are they guarented to be coloured or would i need him to be dna tested to be 100%.

Thanks for reading and any information or opinions would be welcomed.

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Im not much help, but he is absolutely gorgeous !

Id definantly say tovero...as far as if he is homozygeous (will always throw color/spots) you have to have them DNA tested to see what gene he would be homozygeous for if any. He is a nice looking boy, kinda reminds me of Reno my tovero SSH gelding...hope i helped.

also not sure about the requirements for the Jockey club's requirements on registry but you can go to their website to see if the foals would qualify. If they are spotted you can register it through the pinto horse association

I would suspect hes Tobiano plus Splash. Splash will cover up the normal Tobiano markings. To get an more even 50 50 color I would breed him to mostly solid looking pinto mares. The only way to know if hes homozygous is to test

Kay

If he's registered with the APHA as a sorrel tobiano, then that's what he is as far as their registry. His markings had to be taken into consideration when he was registered.

You cannot register part breds with the JC. They only register purebred Thoroughbreds from known parents. The breedings all have to be kept track of, and even a mare who's not in foal has to be noted on a breeding chart as 'open', if she's been bred but not in foal.

If you want to find out if he's homozygous for color, he'll need to be DNA tested.

Chances are he's not, and your foals are going to be solid. I believe they can be registered with the APHA as breeding stock paints, but since I don't own any paints, you'd have to check with them to make sure.

I'd say tovero

Thanks everyone for your comments, I was told that the foals could still be registered with the apha if 1 parent is paint and one is tb does anyone no if this is right?

Yeah, that'S right. TB is accepted in PH stud book. I think even for QH and Appa they are also accepted.

If your stallion is APHA registered and has his DNA on file with APHA and you "list' him for breeding, and the mares are Jockey Club registered, the foals will be eligible for APHA registration as long as you file all the proper paperwork and pay the fees. Here are links for forms and more info on how to do that--(and of course if you call or email APHA they are very helpful)
http://www.apha.com/forms/PDFFiles/0...tAStallion.pdf
http://www.apha.com/forms/PDFFiles/05sbr.pdf
http://www.apha.com/breed/regguide08.html
http://www.apha.com/breed/regguide09.html

His offspring would also be eligible for Pinto registration--
www.pinto.org
(solids could be registered with their "breeding stock" section)

As well as registration with the Performance Horse Registry (originally formed to register half-Thoroughbreds, now expanded to register all horses with an emphasis on record keeping for sport and performance)
http://www.phr.com

As far as color-- if only one of his parents was tobiano or tovero, your horse cannot be homozygous for tobiano, so no need to test for that-- he would be heterozygous, A heterozygous tobiano has a 50/50 chance for siring tobiano color on each of his foals. If he is tobiano as well as splash and/or sabino, He has a higher than 50/50 chance of siring SOME type of Paint/pinto color, as each of his color genes would be passed on with at least 50/50 odds, and be passed along seperately. (Of course splash and sabino can be expressed pretty minimally too, so even if they inherit one or both of those, there is a chance they would not have "enough" white for regular registration).