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    08-07-2012, 11:42 PM
  #11
Weanling
She's a cutie that's for sure. She looks very sturdy too. Although I guess that's in the job description of being a wild horse. Are there a lot around you? What discipline are they most commonly trained for?
     
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    08-07-2012, 11:54 PM
  #12
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Wow, googled them and found some lovely photos of them. They are new to me, and I love learning new breeds.










Unfortunately, I also saw photos of what they do to them to cut the numbers.....So wasteful.
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    08-08-2012, 08:03 AM
  #13
Foal
Wow! I actually never heard of them before but I think they're stunning. Glad to learn about new breeds here
     
    08-18-2012, 10:45 PM
  #14
Foal
Also in the interests of (logical) fairness, there are a few more than 300 out there- since they usually round up between 70 & 150 horses every year or 2 ;)
It's only been recently that the condition of the horses whom have been rounded up has actually been very good.

Also most the horses have below average conformation - the kaimanawa trust has a vet pick out the best conformed of the horses rounded up to be sold to the public & most of those tend towards average conformation at best, with very few being better than average.

The bred was of 2 types- 1 was the smaller 'British' native type, the other are the larger type & are a mix of standy, TB, clydie, QH, Arab, Welsh etc (the breed started as farm escapes, which farmers then tried to improve by releasing various breeds & types of stallions & sometimes mares out onto the ranges).

The smaller type has pretty much been cleared out, leaving the larger type to be managed.

I think they are neat little horses, but then most wild born & raised horses are- they have that lil bit extra personality wise ;)
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    08-19-2012, 01:32 AM
  #15
Foal
If the majority of the horses with best confirmation (Even if it is average) are being rounded up, does that not just make the feral horses confirmation worse each year?
     
    08-19-2012, 02:26 AM
  #16
Foal
No, it's luck of the draw on who gets rounded up, those that don't find homes get canned, therefore they can't contribute to the gene pool any more.

Im the 1st to say if they rounded the horses up each yr & re-released those with the best conformation & held back those that wouldnt improve the bred for sale, the bred would start to improve & more people would want them. Sadly I doubt that will ever happen as 'removal' is more the agenda than management IMO.
     
    08-19-2012, 03:44 AM
  #17
Foal
Yes your above statement is exactly what I was thinking, Its a shame to see so many not being rehomed.

I still by no means agree with the management of these horses. I understand that we want to preserve our native plants and land, however the idea that it is acceptable to let the army practice on these but not allow these kaimanawas to simply survive.

At the same time, I recognize the fact that there are no predators to keep the numbers down.
     
    08-19-2012, 04:05 AM
  #18
Foal
I think there should be some effort to relocate them. If they're on army land, I don't see how that will work out for them in the long-run. If they become too much of an issue, I could see the military wanting to cull them a lot more. Wouldn't it be possible to move them to an area where there are fewer species of threatened plants? I'm not really knowledgeable on the plants in question, how many there are, and how widespread they are throughout New Zealand. Seems it would just make more sense to move them. Population control would still be necessary, but I think it would be nice for them to not have as much pressure from the conservation and military spheres.
     
    08-19-2012, 05:09 AM
  #19
Foal
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Originally Posted by PhelanVelvel    
I think there should be some effort to relocate them. If they're on army land, I don't see how that will work out for them in the long-run. If they become too much of an issue, I could see the military wanting to cull them a lot more. Wouldn't it be possible to move them to an area where there are fewer species of threatened plants? I'm not really knowledgeable on the plants in question, how many there are, and how widespread they are throughout New Zealand. Seems it would just make more sense to move them. Population control would still be necessary, but I think it would be nice for them to not have as much pressure from the conservation and military spheres.
They have been relocated to the only place they can be- the Southern part of the Kaimanawa Ranges.

The army is not allowed to do anything with the horses- they both share the Southern part of the range. I think the army sometimes uses the Northern part of the ranges, but can't remember now, however the horses are not allowed there.

The Kaimanawa Range is the ONLY place in NZ that the horses live- it's the North Islands mountain range & they have adapted to the environment there- which is harsh, yet there isnt any where else for them.

Some people have brought small bands of the horses from the Kai Trust & set up their own breeding bands in other parts of the countr
     
    08-19-2012, 05:36 AM
  #20
Foal
I'm not talking about the army doing anything with the horses, I'm talking about the army destroying the land more than the horses are.
One of the reasons the horses are being rounded up is because they are 'destroying' the land, yes?
Yet the army is doing damage, more damage.
At least these horses are putting nutrients back into the land (manure).
     

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