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post #11 of 70 Old 08-31-2012, 09:22 AM
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Raffles was Polish bred. I've not heard of any problems with his lineage, especially now that it's been many, many horse generations since he died.

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post #12 of 70 Old 08-31-2012, 09:28 AM
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You won't hear me say anything bad about Raffles or Skowronek. I love polish bred Arabs!

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My heart horse was Polish/Crabbet, and I currently own a pure Polish gelding. If I thought there was a problem with Polish breds, I sure wouldn't have owned them all these years!

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Can't tell you specifically about Raffles lines, since my breeding"career" was in Germany and his influence was very rare there, but im pretty sure that anything heavily inbred to one ancestor well produce problems. We had Hadban Enzahi standing at Marbach state stud. He was so heavily used, due to lack of alternatives at that time, that they started having severe pigmentation problems. But Marbach was clever enough to see that and they went to Egypt and bought an outcross, the black Gharib.
Or Nazeer, for some time you could hardly find any SE without Nazeer lines. Or the Minstril, for that matter

Inbreeding and linebreeding is an art, and if you do it wrong problems pop up.
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Can't tell you specifically about Raffles lines, since my breeding"career" was in Germany and his influence was very rare there, but im pretty sure that anything heavily inbred to one ancestor well produce problems. We had Hadban Enzahi standing at Marbach state stud. He was so heavily used, due to lack of alternatives at that time, that they started having severe pigmentation problems. But Marbach was clever enough to see that and they went to Egypt and bought an outcross, the black Gharib.
Or Nazeer, for some time you could hardly find any SE without Nazeer lines. Or the Minstril, for that matter

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post #16 of 70 Old 08-31-2012, 09:49 AM
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It's called inbreeding if it causes problems, but it's called linebreeding if it doesn't.

It's all the same thing, and something with which I don't agree personally. I think there need to be outcrossings to keep genetic and mental problems at bay.

You can see the dangers of inbreeding in the Ansata horses to this day, as well as some of the other SE strains. They started with some lovely horses, and wound up with crazy dingbats who had genetic issues because of all the inbreeding, um, linebreeding.

Nobody's family tree should look like a straight stick with no branches. That goes for horses as well as people.

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You're so right
What gets me is, way back when, when there were very few Arabians available, breeders had to use what was there and did a pretty good job. Just checked my boy's pedigree...5x Bask, 17 x Skowronek, and he is not ******ed in any way. That's because they used their breeding stockk wisely, they were BREEDERS, not multipliers of a current fad.
And there was nobody around who would try to get the genepool even tighter by screaming this one is not pure something or the other.........don't get me started on that one, tho
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Well Ladies thank you for your kind advice, I feel like I just got my hind end chewed out by a member on another thread about a similar posting I made...
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It happens! ^^

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It happens! ^^
Do they ever warn you about not sitting down afterwards, really sore!!!
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