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    04-15-2008, 02:17 PM
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Yearling
Larks Trust Fund? FOUND IS PEDIGREE!

Ever heard of this stallion? Its my horses sire. What can you guys tell me about him?

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/larks+trust+fund

My horse is eligible for some QH Circuit incentive fund thingy because of him and the girl doesn't want me to get his papers with him when I buy him because she doesn't want him shown. What does all that mean?
     
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    04-16-2008, 04:49 PM
  #2
Yearling
Anyone? What is an incentive fund?
     
    04-16-2008, 05:32 PM
  #3
Weanling
http://www.aqha.com/association/benefits/programs.html

Scroll down that page a bit, it has some info on the incentive fund. Im not sure how to go about it, but if she won't give you his papers you can get new ones from AQHA.. maybe someone else will know how. If you are buying him, she really should be giving them to you... he's going to be your horse you can do what you want with him.
     
    04-17-2008, 12:56 PM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by Stepher
http://www.aqha.com/association/benefits/programs.html

Scroll down that page a bit, it has some info on the incentive fund. Im not sure how to go about it, but if she won't give you his papers you can get new ones from aqha.. maybe someone else will know how. If you are buying him, she really should be giving them to you... he's going to be your horse you can do what you want with him.
I Strongly agree...
     
    04-17-2008, 02:20 PM
  #5
Trained
I would be tempted to contach aqha and ask some questions. Something sounds fishy here, I dunno, maybe an unauthorized breeding or something or maybe she's got some false papers on another horse it could be anything ! ...Why would the gal care if you showed him? Of course i've been accused of going into full Nancy Drew mode too!

I don't know much about horse breeding and papering but my sister is a breeder of Great Danes and there is only a couple reasons she wouldn't want one of her dogs shown...Its not a quality dog or it was a wrongful breeding....
     
    04-17-2008, 05:31 PM
  #6
Yearling
Well here is her reasoning, she bought him a year ago from a show barn and she couldn't stand the way the horses were treated and she doesn't want stretch to go into a home like that again, here is a copy of the email:
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i am not up on my showing that much either. Stretch's dad is "larks trust fund". Stallion owners will start an "incentive fund", I believe the foals have to be nominated for the incentive fund when they are born. When the horse is shown on the QH circuit, the incentive fund will pay money for that horse winning. What this does is encourage owners to compete their horses and the better they do the better the stallion looks and the more they can charge for a stud fee. Because stretch is nominated in the incentive fund, he can be competed in the QH circuit shows and win money. You must have the papers to enter him in the shows, so the papers make him more valuable. But stretch hates that kind of showing, it is high stress- unlike open shows which can be more relaxed, but even that depends on the person. I felt it would be better to sell stretch at a lower price without the papers to someone who will do the fun stuff he likes such as trail and team penning. His papers can be purchased separately for an additional $1500. I do not want him to be shown on the circuit, I do not want him to be stressed and unhappy. Open shows do not require papers either.
In her next email she said I could have a copy of his papers. If I buy him without the papers, he is 1100, but with would be 2600.

If she has his papers and he is registered to her does that make him legally hers? He will still be registered to her, and that makes me nervous, what if she takes him away? :o
     
    04-17-2008, 05:41 PM
  #7
Trained
When my fiance and I were buying our horses, when we put the down payment on them, we got a copy of their papers, and when we paid the rest off, we got the originals.

I would be wary with her keeping the original because he would still be registered to her. You wouldn't be able to transfer him to your name because they (atleast the ApHC did) needed the original when you sent in the transfer papers.

I understand his owner not wanting him to be shown because of how show horses are generally treated, but not everyone is going to be like that and if he will be your horse, you get to decide what you can and cannot do with him.
     
    04-17-2008, 06:38 PM
  #8
Yearling
She said she will have the papers and if I want them later down the road, she'll sell them to me.

That's what I thought too. If he is mine and I want to show him in some crazy QH Circuit (even though I haven't the slightest what that is) I should be able to. The only showing I do are Open Shows and I don't even care if I win, I do it to mess around and have fun with my friends who show.

Would it be risky to buy him? The only thing I care about is having the horse.
     
    04-18-2008, 09:37 AM
  #9
Trained
I would concider it risky...I wouldn't want to buy anything be it a horse,vehicle or can of soup where someone else retained legal papers on it. IMO th etrust fund making it more expensive for people to breed to the stud is a good thing..help reduce unwanted horse numbers. Once you buy something it should be yours to do what ever you want.
     
    04-18-2008, 01:29 PM
  #10
tim
Weanling
Well, your horse's sire is out of Rugged Lark, arguably the most incredible AQHA show horse to have ever lived. He won the AQHA World Show Superhorse title twice over his career (basically means he was the best horse in the world no matter what discipline, bar none -- twice.) He is the reason Lynn Palm is so famous in the Quarter Horse industry. She was his exhibitor / trainer. He is also the only Superhorse to produce another Superhorse (actually he's sired two other superhorses), and some of his off-spring have done some other pretty awesome things in their show careers as well.

His bloodlines are a bit of old news though. He was absolutely huge in the late 80's and early 90's and he performed his farewell show tour in 1997, hitting many of the major shows in the USA. Still, Rugged Lark lines are nothing to sneer at, and probably never will be. He died on Oct. 26, 2004.

Anyway, I don't know much about your horse but his bloodlines are good. I can't seem to find much about the actual sire, but Rugged Lark is an outstanding name to have on his pedigree.

Also, I have to agree with everyone else. The seller has no right to withhold the actual papers. If you want to show, that's your own business. I wouldn't buy him until she agrees to hand over the paperwork.
     

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