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  • A horse that is red in the front and white in the back

 
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    01-30-2010, 12:19 PM
  #101
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Wallaby    
Post him!! He's beautiful, I want to see his prettiness.
Haha okay. This is Claymore - coming 8 year old. His dam was half clydesdale and half paint (she was a bay and white tobiano) and his sire was a blue roan appy with a blanket in back:





Those pictures are dark, and you can't see his red front end very well, it looks gray in those pictures, so here's a close up front: ('scuse the muddy bits, he's kind of a pig) Likewise I don't have a good picture of his striping on his hind legs, they don't show up well in the above pictures and you can't see them in his winter coat.



And he definitely threw his weird colors before he was gelded. Here's a few pics of his last colt, out of a gray perch mare:

At a month


And now, same colt, coming 2 years


So what would Claymore be, technically?
     
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    01-30-2010, 01:43 PM
  #102
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I guess we have to remember, that Overo is just a term not liked by most colour gurus, because it is an umbralla covering several real colours.
I'd say Freyja is a Minimal Expression Tobiano, with possible Splash and possible Sabino of one type or another.

I don't like a lot of Appy colouring, but I love your Claymore! What a handsome lad. Obviously lots of Appy going on there. Most probably Sabino which would have come from his Clydesdale background and if his head has stayed dark, then Roan also. Oh and Tobiano also. Maybe even some DW. He's certainly a fun colour guess.
     
    01-30-2010, 02:15 PM
  #103
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by FeatheredFeet    
I guess we have to remember, that Overo is just a term not liked by most colour gurus, because it is an umbralla covering several real colours.
I'd say Freyja is a Minimal Expression Tobiano, with possible Splash and possible Sabino of one type or another.
I'd believe splash, but isn't that associated with blue eyes? Do Shires carry the Sabino gene like Clydes? I know they are somewhat closely related as breeds. Freyja's half Shire. Her colt came out fading black with three white socks, a star and snip, and a large white spot on his side/belly. The stallion she was bred to was a reg. Shire stallion, bay with a blaze and 4 white socks, and the same large white spot on his side/belly. The foal she's about to have will be full brother/sister to Finn, so I might have a pretty nicely matched pair, if that color combo was dominant - and coming from 3/4 Shire babies, I expect it is.

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Originally Posted by FeatheredFeet    
I don't like a lot of Appy colouring, but I love your Claymore! What a handsome lad. Obviously lots of Appy going on there. Most probably Sabino which would have come from his Clydesdale background and if his head has stayed dark, then Roan also. Oh and Tobiano also. Maybe even some DW. He's certainly a fun colour guess.
He's definitely unusual to look at that's for sure! The first time my fiance laid eyes on him he had to have him :) BTW, those rings around his spots that you can see on the first two pictures - those are not a trick of the camera. In summer coat he has these weird rings around each spot. In his winter coat, you can't see the rings - but the seal brown fur on his spots is a good half inch or so longer than the surrounding white, so his polka-dots are 3D. Funny, funny horse.
     
    01-30-2010, 02:51 PM
  #104
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Splash is definitely associated with blue eyes, but of course, not all will have them. Some none,some one of each and some two blues. We have one Gypsy mare with one dark and one blue. All our others have two dark eyes but I'll bet they all carry Splash.
I'm pretty sure that Shires, like Clydes, all carry some form of Sabino. They were after all, one and the same breed in the past.
The halos around spots are often seen in Appys. Also around edges of Tobiano patterns too.
Funny you should mention raised spots. We were just speaking about this on our Gypsy Horse forum. Many said that the coloured areas were longer haired than the white.
     
    01-30-2010, 04:28 PM
  #105
Yearling
Freyja's a tobiano (I wouldn't even say minimal). Claymore is a tobiano pintaloosa, can't really say what type of app pattern he has because I just don't know enough about apps. His colt is also a tobiano pintaloosa, going gray from his mom.

I was once told the color around the spots is called blueing, it's caused by the skin being dark, but the hair being white.

I have a neighbor w/ a yearling(?) that looks alot like Claymore (colorwise anyway).
     
    01-30-2010, 05:12 PM
  #106
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Originally Posted by haviris    
Freyja's a tobiano (I wouldn't even say minimal). Claymore is a tobiano pintaloosa, can't really say what type of app pattern he has because I just don't know enough about apps. His colt is also a tobiano pintaloosa, going gray from his mom.
That's what I'd figured pretty much, thanks! I didn't know if the roaning on Claymore changed things - I don't know much about appy or paint color patterns at all...appreciate it!
     
    01-30-2010, 05:39 PM
  #107
Yearling
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Originally Posted by FeatheredFeet    
I guess we have to remember, that Overo is just a term not liked by most colour gurus, because it is an umbralla covering several real colours.
Overo is a real name - For the frame gene. Paint people use it incorrectly but it is a real color.
     
    01-30-2010, 06:08 PM
  #108
Yearling
Chestnut and two differant examples of fading blacks, both in their faded and non faded coats.
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    01-30-2010, 06:24 PM
  #109
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I so agree ponyboy. I think the problem lies in the fact that people often lump many other colours into Overo and Tovero.
Overo is often used for a horse which appears to (maybe) not be a normal Tobiano but has an appearance of Frame, Splash or Sabino.
Tovero on the other hand, usually refers to a Tobiano with also Overo possibilities.
Add to this, that some colours are referred to differently from breed to breed and country to country, then colour can be very difficult to distinguish and/or name sometimes, regardless of how they are expressed.

Haviris
You and I will have to agree to disagree. In my mind, I'd still consider Freyja to be a minimal expression Tobiano.
     
    01-31-2010, 12:05 AM
  #110
Yearling
I guess so, I would consider her a regular tobiano, I'd call one a minimal tobiano that has the stocking legs and maybe the white triangle across the withers or above the tail (the way it's usually expressed in mules).

This is my mini Money, I would call her a minimal tobiano,

This one shows the white above her butt alittle better, she also has a spot her side you can't see in the pics,
     

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