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        10-17-2013, 04:45 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    Moving on from that Kayty..
    As someone who is lucky enough to live in Germany..

    We have a hell of a lot of WBs, naturally. We also have 'tinkers', Iberian breeds, Friesians...

    And we also see a lot of the best of all breeds.

    HOWEVER

    You point me out a Friesian or tinker in the upper dressage levels and I will eat my hat.

    Any horse is capable of anything, but people have spent DECADES producing lines through careful breeding to excel at their certain disciplines.

    If, as a dressage rider, I want to plod around and dabble in anything, I will look at any breed, but a suitable manner and training.

    If I want to hit the higher levels, I do not go any buy a tinker!! They are not bred for that purpose.

    (On the flip side, you couldn't get me to touch the Jazz/Pilot lines :P)

    The ridden horse didn't pop out with the correct confo for what people wanted to do.

    If I see a heavier horse at a dressage competition, I think 'wow.. rider must be good, horse must have some talent.. but very unlikely to win' because against a WB who has been specifically bred for that purpose?? No.

    There is /always/ going to be breed snobbery. It gets as petty as bloodline snobbery too.

    My advice is.. you have a horse, ride it to your best ability, and her/his too. If we spent so much time worried about people's opinions on our horse's breed, saddle, numnah, stables.. it really would be a sport for the rich only.
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        10-17-2013, 04:58 AM
      #12
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
    Moving on from that Kayty..
    As someone who is lucky enough to live in Germany..

    We have a hell of a lot of WBs, naturally. We also have 'tinkers', Iberian breeds, Friesians...

    And we also see a lot of the best of all breeds.

    HOWEVER

    You point me out a Friesian or tinker in the upper dressage levels and I will eat my hat.

    Any horse is capable of anything, but people have spent DECADES producing lines through careful breeding to excel at their certain disciplines.

    If, as a dressage rider, I want to plod around and dabble in anything, I will look at any breed, but a suitable manner and training.

    If I want to hit the higher levels, I do not go any buy a tinker!! They are not bred for that purpose.

    (On the flip side, you couldn't get me to touch the Jazz/Pilot lines :P)

    The ridden horse didn't pop out with the correct confo for what people wanted to do.

    If I see a heavier horse at a dressage competition, I think 'wow.. rider must be good, horse must have some talent.. but very unlikely to win' because against a WB who has been specifically bred for that purpose?? No.

    There is /always/ going to be breed snobbery. It gets as petty as bloodline snobbery too.

    My advice is.. you have a horse, ride it to your best ability, and her/his too. If we spent so much time worried about people's opinions on our horse's breed, saddle, numnah, stables.. it really would be a sport for the rich only.
    Oh the blood line snobbery yes! "Ooooohhhhhh your horse has Fabriano lines.... MY horse has Rubenstein" Meh, if it does the job I want, then I'm happy as a pig in 'poop'
    Actually speaking of Jazz lines, like you Soph I wouldn't touch one with a 40foot barge pole, temperament is far too crazy. BUT a friend of mine just brought a 3 yr old with a handful of rides in it, Jazz lines out of a TB mare.... quiet as a lamb!!!!! Always an exception to the rule, so now that I know ONE exception I definitely won't buy a Jazz because you can't get lucky enough to know TWO quiet ones
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        10-17-2013, 05:05 AM
      #13
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    I really don't feel it matters if people have strong opinions about breeds as to which they like or don't like, as long as they are not offensive to other people about it or use that opinion to mark down unfairly when judging.

    In dressage the heavy and cobby types are more likely to struggle with some of the movements and so are likely to not be placed highly, but that is just life and some can do very well. I love seeing the exceptions and would love to be one on my haflinger....but I know we struggle

    In the UK you will see every breed having a go at low level dressage, from the shire cross to the Shetland cross (actually I have watched friends compete on both of those).
         
        10-17-2013, 05:22 AM
      #14
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Kayty    
    Oh the blood line snobbery yes! "Ooooohhhhhh your horse has Fabriano lines.... MY horse has Rubenstein" Meh, if it does the job I want, then I'm happy as a pig in 'poop'
    Actually speaking of Jazz lines, like you Soph I wouldn't touch one with a 40foot barge pole, temperament is far too crazy. BUT a friend of mine just brought a 3 yr old with a handful of rides in it, Jazz lines out of a TB mare.... quiet as a lamb!!!!! Always an exception to the rule, so now that I know ONE exception I definitely won't buy a Jazz because you can't get lucky enough to know TWO quiet ones

    Wait till it hits 5!!!!!

    Honestly, they are NUTTERS.

    Before Dobs was snipped.. I had someone ask if I could put him to a mare (unregistered stallion?!) because he has purdy blood lines.

    I see so many advertisements here where the horse is sold off papers. RIDICULOUS.

    I do like R lines though
         
        10-17-2013, 07:14 AM
      #15
    Trained
    Haha I shall wait with baited breath - this one is the quietest Jazz I've ever seen :S
    I love the Rubensteins, some very good moving, well tempered horses come from him. But I like my little Fishy too for his temperament :)
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        10-17-2013, 08:08 AM
      #16
    Foal
    To clarify, I am not ignoring the fact that...
    1) Horse "stereotypes" do hold some truth
    2) Horses are often bred for specific disciplines
    But I personally don't think they should be confined to these boxes. If a warmblood shows natural talent for barrel racing, or seems to really enjoy it, they should be able to do that sport. Likewise with any other breed.

    I'm more so speaking about the "judgments" that people place upon horses because of their breed.
         
        10-17-2013, 08:16 AM
      #17
    Started
    I get where you're coming from. Growing up paint horses were the devil and I knew many breeders that would take a paint foal behind the barn and shoot it rather than let the QH world know that THERE mare or stallion produced a paint! At the horse shows, I had the only paint and was looked down on. But, we beat their fancy QH on most if not all the events! I like all the breeds, ok maybe not shetlands too much. But I think that's because a lot of people let them get spoiled rotten and they're smart enough to take advantage of it.
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        10-17-2013, 08:45 AM
      #18
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    Originally Posted by gigem88    
    I get where you're coming from. Growing up paint horses were the devil and I knew many breeders that would take a paint foal behind the barn and shoot it rather than let the QH world know that THERE mare or stallion produced a paint! At the horse shows, I had the only paint and was looked down on. But, we beat their fancy QH on most if not all the events! I like all the breeds, ok maybe not shetlands too much. But I think that's because a lot of people let them get spoiled rotten and they're smart enough to take advantage of it.

    O.0
    But surely, if the owner bred to a paint.. the result would be...
         
        10-17-2013, 08:49 AM
      #19
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iDressage    
    To clarify, I am not ignoring the fact that...
    1) Horse "stereotypes" do hold some truth
    2) Horses are often bred for specific disciplines
    But I personally don't think they should be confined to these boxes. If a warmblood shows natural talent for barrel racing, or seems to really enjoy it, they should be able to do that sport. Likewise with any other breed.
    sure, the warmblood may have the talent or heart for it. But, warmbloods arent fast, they don't have the "sprint" in them. They are often too large/long to be a good barrel mount. And my goal is to get out there and win. A warmblood will 100% absolutely never be on my list for buying a barrel prospect. No matter how special it is.

    When searching for a barrel horse, unless its already a proven winner, I will always go for a race bred AQHA/APHA...yes registered!...horses. If I'm looking for a prospect, I'm going to buy the best bloodlines that have proven themselves on the track or in the arena. I'm not willing to take a risk on a backyard bred grade.

    Am I a breed/pedigree snob? Maybe. But I'd rather give myself the advantage of good lines to go with the natural talent.

    I get what your saying OP, and at local fun levels, sure that's great. In a perfect world. But in reality...and at the top levels...Its just irrational. And it is unheard of.

    To each his/her own...
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        10-17-2013, 09:50 AM
      #20
    Trained
    If it can get someone safely from point A to Z I love it!
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