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        10-23-2013, 11:04 AM
      #61
    Trained
    "the nutters are the rule rather than the exception"

    I've only got a sample size of 3 Arabians I've known well. Lilly liked to be told 'please & thank you', but she was gentle, sane and very patient. Trooper is 3/4 Arabian. His Appy sire was used on the roughest cattle because he was a very aggressive stallion who loved a fight and who didn't mind biting his rider if he got a chance. It took years for the sire to accept humans as a plus. But Trooper's personality came from his purebred Arabian dam. He takes care of my youngest daughter. As an ex-ranch horse, it probably isn't surprising that he is level headed on the trails.

    Mia is the stereotypical "Arabian mare". She was very nervous, very intense and spooked a lot. After a lot of work, as in a couple of years of work, she is starting to calm down. There are even signs of a slightly lethargic, lazy mare starting to peep out. She may or may not have had some nervous tendencies from breeding, but I'm increasingly convinced it was 'trained' in to her by owners who didn't ride her and who left her to live in a corral.

    Mia needed exercise. She needed to get out of the corral. She needed to move & see things. It is like when I tried to adopt a Border Collie. The woman who did our home inspection told me the dog I was interested in was too crazy for me to handle. She also admitted she kept him in a crate 23.5 hours a day because he was nuts. I told her I'd be nuts too, if someone kept me in a crate for 23.5 hours a day! I failed the home inspection...had a bad attitude and wouldn't mesh well with Border Collies. But don't tell the Border Collie I own right now. He thinks I'm great.

    If Mia had been ponied out at 3 and ridden out at 4, I think she would have been uncommonly sane at 6. Getting a total newbie owner at 7 and not being properly broken until 10 did Mia no favors. I think a horse bred for endurance needs a level-headed rider to exercise him and introduce him to the world in steps he can handle until he becomes confident.

    I don't think Arabians are nuts. I do think they need more exercise, and of the right type, than many other horses. Having nearly ruined Mia at one point, I think many Arabians need a horseman, but too often get just a rider. And I think Arabians need trail work.

    All IMHO, with an admitted small sample size.
         
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        10-23-2013, 11:47 AM
      #62
    Started
    I may disagree and a horse not doing a certain disciplined well. My bf has a 16hh TB gelding who can win any Gaming event with my 6'4" fb riding him. He is not a stocky horse but he will always place in barrels, poles, keyhole and the horse will even jump something if asked. This horse is 27 and he still can win. Some horses can't do high level dressage because of breed gaits I understand that, hence why no pure bred Arabian (correct me if on wrong on this one) has won an Olympic level event in dressage. But who is to say a quarter horse can't? Or even a Mustang?
         
        10-23-2013, 11:56 AM
      #63
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    KigerQueen, no one is saying there isn't a single quarter horse cross in the world that can do PSG dressage, for example. The point is that they're not bred for that, so why search for a horse that will have hurdles to overcome due to their breeding? If I want an upper level event horse, I won't look for quarter horses. I'll look for Thoroughbred crosses and Irish Sport Horses, because that's what they're bred for! Quarter horses that compete in upper levels are the exception, not the rule.
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        10-23-2013, 11:58 AM
      #64
    Trained
    A Quarter Horse is not bred for the motions desired in dressage. That doesn't prevent them from training in dressage, but they are going to be hard pressed to win at the upper levels against horses specifically bred for that purpose for generations. I like my horse, but she wasn't bred to run barrels, cut cattle, or perform collected gaits. She could compete in barrel racing or dressage for fun, but she would have no chance of going to the top. Why would that surprise or offend anyone?
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        10-23-2013, 12:51 PM
      #65
    Trained
    None of my arabians are nutters. What ever that means..
    The nutters are the exception not the rule IMO and from my experience. Those horses bred for halter or park are hot and that is to be expected.
    I have mares only advanced riders can ride that doesnt make them crazy just sensitive and spirited. If those two things are too much for some to handle then an arabian or any other "hot" breed is not for them.
    As bsms posted my arabians when ridden and turned out are not too much to handle. Bring a couple of them in from the pasture after being idle for a month or two then yes they can be a handful. Harness that energy and ride for 10-15 miles then they calm down.
    I also have mares that can be idle for months throw a saddle on them and they are as calm as a plow horse. Those are the ones I don't like riding. Shalom
         
        10-23-2013, 01:10 PM
      #66
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    My mother bred arabs, so I've known about 8 of them well, and none were "nutters" (one was backed at 14 and could be ridden out straight off without a glance at anything) but I have a friend who had one and the way she rode certainly made hers appear a bit mad.
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        10-23-2013, 01:11 PM
      #67
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    None of my arabians are nutters. What ever that means..
    The nutters are the exception not the rule IMO and from my experience. Those horses bred for halter or park are hot and that is to be expected.
    I have mares only advanced riders can ride that doesnt make them crazy just sensitive and spirited. If those two things are too much for some to handle then an arabian or any other "hot" breed is not for them.
    As bsms posted my arabians when ridden and turned out are not too much to handle. Bring a couple of them in from the pasture after being idle for a month or two then yes they can be a handful. Harness that energy and ride for 10-15 miles then they calm down.
    I also have mares that can be idle for months throw a saddle on them and they are as calm as a plow horse. Those are the ones I don't like riding. Shalom
    When it comes to Arabs, IMO the majority of supposed "nutters" are actually normal Arabs people just don't understand. If you don't recognize their orneriness and sense of humor, it is easy to think of them as nuts. Arabs will mess with you and then turn around and laugh right in your face. Sometimes what they think is funny really is - and other times what they think is funny is a PITA. Personally, I think they are a hoot...
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        10-23-2013, 01:13 PM
      #68
    Trained
    Jeez for 90% of the horse owning population, find a horse that you love and do what you want with it.

    EG Hafflinger, born to pull, yes, but can do this


    Or this


    Or this



    No, not every Haffy could do anything, but it is to do with training as well as breed.

    I can't understand 'hating' on any breed, I wouldn't choose to buy some breeds, others I like, my quietest horse is an Arab, my spookiest horse is her daughter. The safest horse I have here is a QH, but many years ago I owned one that was downright dangerous.
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