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post #1 of 23 Old 02-23-2012, 08:27 PM Thread Starter
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Need some QH help.

I'm seriously considering a QH filly as I like her look and her love her dam's look. I'm limited on my QH horse knowledge (like anything other then those in the hall of fame... I'm clueless). So I was hoping for some input on this filly. Watch Peppy King Quarter Horse

What field(s) would you say her breeding is geared for? Ie. Halter, cutting, etc...
Her mom supposedly ran barrels and I just might be picking her up too. Actually I really like her and I'm not even an QH person. She has spunk but at the same time is really a doll. I don't know... I might just be talking myself into another horse....
AAAHHHHH run away, run away.... (actually the owner found me as he's selling out of the horse business but wanted to make sure his last baby from his favorite mare was going to be taken care of properly, good for the ego, bad for the checkbook. Mom wasn't even on the table until I went to take a look.)
I really need some feedback to push me one way or the other.
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post #2 of 23 Old 02-23-2012, 08:37 PM
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I REALLY like her pedigree. Do you have pictures? Has she been tested for HERDA? (I'd do some research on HERDA if your not real familiar with QH's. It's a genetic disease that is traced back to Poco Bueno)

If she's a nice looking as what he pedigree is saying, snatch her up quick!

I think the filly would make a nice western horse. She is very foundation bred. She's probably very cowy, so cutting might be a promising discipline from her. I lease a foundation QH that has similar lines and she cleans house in speed events. So barrels are a definite possibility.

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post #3 of 23 Old 02-23-2012, 08:47 PM Thread Starter
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I REALLY like her pedigree. Do you have pictures? Has she been tested for HERDA? (I'd do some research on HERDA if your not real familiar with QH's. It's a genetic disease that is traced back to Poco Bueno)

If she's a nice looking as what he pedigree is suggesting, snatch her up quick!

I think the filly would make a nice western horse. She is very foundation bred. She's probably very cowy, so cutting might be a promising discipline from her. I lease a foundation QH that has similar lines and she cleans house in speed events. So barrels are a definite possibility.

I don't think she has, I'll ask and do some research. The only one I knew about was HYPP from Impressive.
I was planning to do all the color genetics testing anyways. She's perlino which is a big factor in my leaning that way, but I'm trying to be cautious and not buy her just for color. What's really interesting is that mom is registered as "brown". I told the owner that mom has to be smokey black. Did I mention that I really like that mare?
I just want to make sure this is a horse bred for doing. I could get into barrel racing (I'm sure I could find time somewhere... maybe between 11pm and 1am... after all, sleep is overrated.)
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She's okay, she definitely has a few bigger names on her pedigree but they are further back than I like to see when thinking about purchasing a horse.. None the less, she should be a nice little all around western horse..She does have more cow bred names on her papers than other names but not many..Two Eyed Jack did produce offspring that do well in speed events. She should be a nice horse, but her pedigree doesn't jump out at me as some of the better out there...

Poco Stripe is also a known and confirmed carrier of HERDA. You definitely want to check for that before going any further with her because he is closer on her pedigree.

Here is a little information about HERDA
http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/herda.php
"Hereditary equine regional dermal asthenia (HERDA) is a genetic skin disease predominantly found in the American Quarter Horse. Within the breed, the disease is prevalent in particular lines of cutting horses. HERDA is characterized by hyperextensible skin, scarring, and severe lesions along the back of affected horses. Affected foals rarely show symptoms at birth. The condition typically occurs by the age of two, most notably when the horse is first being broke to saddle. There is no cure, and the majority of diagnosed horses are euthanized because they are unable to be ridden and are inappropriate for future breeding. HERDA has an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance and affects stallions and mares in equal proportions. Research carried out in Dr. Danika Bannasch's laboratory at the University of California, Davis, has identified the gene and mutation associated with HERDA."

Really, if it were me, I wouldn't buy her.. Her pedigree isn't all that impressive and I would be worried about the HERDA carrier being so close.
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She's okay, she definitely has a few bigger names on her pedigree but they are further back than I like to see when thinking about purchasing a horse.. None the less, she should be a nice little all around western horse..She does have more cow bred names on her papers than other names but not many..Two Eyed Jack did produce offspring that do well in speed events. She should be a nice horse, but her pedigree doesn't jump out at me as some of the better out there...

Poco Stripe is also a known and confirmed carrier of HERDA. You definitely want to check for that before going any further with her because he is closer on her pedigree.

Here is a little information about HERDA
Horse HERDA
"Hereditary equine regional dermal asthenia (HERDA) is a genetic skin disease predominantly found in the American Quarter Horse. Within the breed, the disease is prevalent in particular lines of cutting horses. HERDA is characterized by hyperextensible skin, scarring, and severe lesions along the back of affected horses. Affected foals rarely show symptoms at birth. The condition typically occurs by the age of two, most notably when the horse is first being broke to saddle. There is no cure, and the majority of diagnosed horses are euthanized because they are unable to be ridden and are inappropriate for future breeding. HERDA has an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance and affects stallions and mares in equal proportions. Research carried out in Dr. Danika Bannasch's laboratory at the University of California, Davis, has identified the gene and mutation associated with HERDA."

Really, if it were me, I wouldn't buy her.. Her pedigree isn't all that impressive and I would be worried about the HERDA carrier being so close.
Thank you for the info. I talked to the owner and he said he hadn't got her tested but he's going to check with the stallion owner and find out if the stallion was tested. It not then he'll test the filly.
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That sounds good, I would definitely test her, not just the stallion, to be sure..It can be a hidden trait until she's a little older and you start her training under saddle...

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Great information DR.

I'm a sucker for a horse with foundation lines. I don't know what it is. LoL. Maybe it's the big butts so many of them have.

I'd have her tested before purchasing her though. Or have it written into the contract that if the test comes back with her being a carrier, you return her to the original owner. I'd hate to do that though because in the time that you have her, waiting on test results, you get attached and then look past the genetic disorder. That's just my personal preference though.

Perlino is very pretty, but be smart and don't just buy for color. I know you said that, but I can't state it enough. Some people breed and buy for color without taking into consideration her disposition and conformation.

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Great information DR.

I'm a sucker for a horse with foundation lines. I don't know what it is. LoL. Maybe it's the big butts so many of them have.

I'd have her tested before purchasing her though. Or have it written into the contract that if the test comes back with her being a carrier, you return her to the original owner. I'd hate to do that though because in the time that you have her, waiting on test results, you get attached and then look past the genetic disorder. That's just my personal preference though.

Perlino is very pretty, but be smart and don't just buy for color. I know you said that, but I can't state it enough. Some people breed and buy for color without taking into consideration her disposition and conformation.
The owner told me he tried breeding mainly for the foundation lines. He loves the mom of this foal and had bred her to a nice dunskin. He had hoped to get a bay dun as that was what the color calculator told him he'd most likely get. With the perlino baby I told him there was no way she was a brown (bay). She had to be a smokey black.

Disposition wise both her and mom are sweethearts, and dead calm compared to my TB & Arabs I'm use too. We were there before the owner got back home and both of them came up to the fence and loving the attention.

Conformation wise, I like mom's better. She is well put together though a bit stockier then I'm use too. Really nice legs and hooves. I didn't care for her neck but that was the only thing that really stuck out.
Baby is a bit harder to tell being in the awkward almost yearling stage. She also needs a worming. Her sire was decent, thick throat latch, shorter neck but nice head. I actually don't care for the perlino look myself. I'm more of a buckskin person, as long as its the real yellow with very black points and maybe a star (not that I'm particular or anything )

Honestly, it's the dam I'm in love with the most.
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I'm not saying she's a bad choice, she does have a nice foundation behind her and you seem knowledgeable about the situation..I just can't stress how much the HERDA test is going to mean..If she is a carrier, even if it doesn't show now, she'll have to be PTS. Which is terrible, but it's the best thing for a horse with HERDA. That's why I won't really buy anything even remotely close to a horse that has/was a HERDA carrier..

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HREDA only affects a horse in the homozygous state. A horse can be a carrier (heterozygous) and be completely unaffected unlike a horse with HYPP.

If she only has one copy, I wouldn't let that deter you from buying her as it is not going to affect her in any way.
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