Originally Posted by sierrams1123
I am bias, she has Two Eyed Jack
just off her papers, I am a HUGE fan of Two Eyed Jack breeding (thanks to my mare and others with him in them).......DrumRunner failed to include some pretty important info on him......she also has some other names that stand out to me like King...she also has some names in there on her papers that were named after the better names in her lines like Peppy, San, Doc, Bar, and Poco....she is foundation breed, and like CLaPorte, I am a sucker for foundation breed horses.
I did fail to add anything..The OP stated she knew of the bigger names, those you say I "failed" to add like King and the rest..I think we both know that I would have went into far more detail if she had wanted that..What important information didn't I include about Two Eyed Jack that you also didn't include in your post? I'll really go into detail if you want..She may be foundation bred but yes, those names are farther back on her pedigree that I like to see when looking to buy a horse. But, that's just my opinion, I' not bashing the horse. In fact, I said that she was probably a very nice little all around mare...
Here are the details I "failed" to add.. Poco Bueno-
Breeder: Jess Hankins, Rocksprings, TX.
Owner: E. P. Waggoner, Ft. Worth, TX.
AQHA Champion/ROM Arena/Hall of Fame
Sire of AQHA Chs/ROM Arena/Pro.Dghts/etc. HERDA Carrier
He was grand champion stallion at Denvers National Western Stock Show, the Southwestern Exposition and Fat Stock Show in Fort Worth, State Fair of Texas in Dallas and the American Royal Livestock Show in Kansas City. As a 4-year-old, in 1948, Poco Bueno started his performance career as a cutting horse, and his amazing ability helped him to quickly acquire an impressive record - and a legion of fans. He was the first quarter horse to be insured for $100,000.00. Poco Bueno died November 28, 1969 and Mr. Waggoner left specific instructions in his will that Poco Bueno was to be buried in a standing position in a grave across from the ranch entrance on Hwy. 283.
More info can be found at Waggoners Poco Bueno Info King
-Breeder: Burney James, Encinal, TX.
Owner: Jess Hankins, Rocksprings, TX.
AQHA Hall of Fame
A L.M. Gdsire ROM Race, A Leading sire/Maternal G.Sire AQHA CHs. & ROM Arena
Sire Of 2 AQHA HofF: Poco Bueno & Royal King
658 foals, 218 performers from 23 crops. 35 race starters, 17 winners, 44 wins, 12 ROM/183 show performers, 104 hlt.pt. (1,088 pts); 107 perf.pt.-earners (2,061 pts)
147 total pt-earners with a total of 3,149 points All Divisions combined. Mr San Peppy
He was inducted into the NCHA Hall of Fame, along with his son Peppy San Badger and his full brother Peppy San. He was inducted to the AQHA Hall of Fame in 2011,joining his son Peppy San Badger and his full brother, Peppy San, who was inducted in 1999. World Champion, NCHA Finals, 1972 NCHA Derby Champion Top Ten World Show, Superior Performance, AQHA High Point Performance Horse, NCHA money-earner, ROM Performance. Stallion Offspring Record for Mr San Peppy, World Champion Offspring, Reserve World Champion Offspring, Top Ten World Show Offspring, Superior Performance Offspring, AQHA High Point Performance Offspring, ROM Performance Offspring, NRHA Money-earners, NCHA Money-earners, NRCHA Money-earners, Halter Point Earners. Besides being a two-time National Cutting Horse Association (NCHA) Open World Champion in 1974 and 1976, MR SAN PEPPY also won the AQHA World Cutting Championship in 1976, becoming the first horse ever to win both titles in the same year. Then, in 1978, he became the first horse to ever win over $l00,000 in open cutting competition. The pinnacle of his career occurred in 1974, when he became the youngest horse ever to be inducted into the NCHA Hall of Fame. He is a full brother to PEPPY SAN and Miss Leo Peppy. Sonny Dee Bar
- Sonny Dee Bar sired, among others, such famous horses as Maid of Luck, Red Sonny Dee, Lucky Machine, Sonny Go Lucky, Sonny Deluxe, Dirty Larry, Sonny Go Royal, James Caan, and Scotch Bar Time. He sired 1070 Quarter Horse foals in his breeding career, with thirty-one of them AQHA Champions, one AQHA Supreme Champion, and five AQHA World Champions. Scotch Bar Time was inducted into the National Snaffle Bit Association (or NSBA) Hall of Fame in 2002.
Sonny Dee Bar was inducted into the AQHA Hall of Fame Poco Tivio
- has won $11,188.39 in NCHA Top Ten World Show AQHA Champion NCHA money-earner Halter Point Earner ROM Performance Awards: COA, Bronze Stallion Offspring: Superior Performance Offspring AQHA Champion Offspring ROM Performance Offspring NCHA Money-earners Halter Point Earner. Watch Joe Jack
-Top Ten World Show Superior Halter Superior Western Pleasure AQHA High Point Performance Horse AQHA Champion ROM Performance Poco Stripe
AQHA Halter Point earner
Sire of AQHA ROM Arena, Halter point earners & NCHA Futurity Semi-finalist Known HERDA carrier.
The mare doesn't have any Doc Bar on her pedigree until one mare by DoC Bar 10 generation back on her dam's side.. It had little to no effect on the mare...The owners carred the close "Doc" from a horse named Doctor Tivio..and the "Bar" came from Three Bars about 15 generations back..It's people wanting tp bring the bigger names forward on the papers to make the horse seem like it has bigger names closer when it doesn't..
But again, there are no big names closer than four generations back..The mare should have a nice set up and be a very nice little all around mare..IF she isn't a HERDA carrier...But, I have high standards when spending money on a horse, because they are an investment to me, and big names on at least the second generation is a must for me..I'm not saying that to bash the mare, put her down, or turn you away from her. There are just a few things I that would make me not even look at her, especially because two of the closest big names are both HERDA carriers.
Here is her information from AQHA.. PEDIGREE RECORD © 2008, AQHA. All Rights Reserved.
Her registration papers show nothing big except Poco Bueno and Poco Stripe...both HERDA carriers.
Have I failed to leave anything out this time? Or do you want me to go 20 generations back and see what I can find?