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    02-24-2012, 09:07 AM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by NdAppy    
HREDA only affects a horse in the homozygous state. A horse can be a carrier (heterozygous) and be completely unaffected unlike a horse with HYPP.

If she only has one copy, I wouldn't let that deter you from buying her as it is not going to affect her in any way.
That's what I thought from what I was reading. Only thing is that I would probably have the goal of breeding her in the future... but to an Appy stallion. Of course I should just get her tested and go from there. I'm pretty sure I want mom though.
     
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    02-24-2012, 09:17 AM
  #12
Trained
If you like her and that is the way you want to go just make sure she is tested and if a HERDA carrier to only breed to a HERDA N/N stallion.
     
    02-24-2012, 09:23 AM
  #13
Showing
Hmm, looking for pics. You taunt us then don't show us your interest. Lol.
     
    02-25-2012, 01:03 AM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
Hmm, looking for pics. You taunt us then don't show us your interest. Lol.
Terrified of pics... what if you remove my rose colored glasses and I find my perfect mare is really a cow in disguise?

Yeah, forgot the camera....

Just might run out there one more time. Not too far away thankfully. Called the owner up and asked to get them both tested.
     
    02-25-2012, 02:41 AM
  #15
Banned
I am bias, she has Two Eyed Jack just off her papers, I am a HUGE fan of Two Eyed Jack breeding (thanks to my mare and others with him in them).......DrumRunner failed to include some pretty important info on him......she also has some other names that stand out to me like King...she also has some names in there on her papers that were named after the better names in her lines like Peppy, San, Doc, Bar, and Poco....she is foundation breed, and like CLaPorte, I am a sucker for foundation breed horses.

If the tests come back clear I would def be interested in her if her confo is nice and built for whatever you plan to use her for. I would love to see some pictures of her.
     
    02-25-2012, 03:13 PM
  #16
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by sierrams1123    
I am bias, she has Two Eyed Jack just off her papers, I am a HUGE fan of Two Eyed Jack breeding (thanks to my mare and others with him in them).......DrumRunner failed to include some pretty important info on him......she also has some other names that stand out to me like King...she also has some names in there on her papers that were named after the better names in her lines like Peppy, San, Doc, Bar, and Poco....she is foundation breed, and like CLaPorte, I am a sucker for foundation breed horses.
I didn't FAIL to add anything..She said she knew of the bigger names, those you say I "failed" to add like King and the rest..I think we both know that I would have went into far more detail if she had wanted that.
     
    02-25-2012, 03:45 PM
  #17
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by sierrams1123    
I am bias, she has Two Eyed Jack just off her papers, I am a HUGE fan of Two Eyed Jack breeding (thanks to my mare and others with him in them).......DrumRunner failed to include some pretty important info on him......she also has some other names that stand out to me like King...she also has some names in there on her papers that were named after the better names in her lines like Peppy, San, Doc, Bar, and Poco....she is foundation breed, and like CLaPorte, I am a sucker for foundation breed horses.
I did fail to add anything..The OP stated she knew of the bigger names, those you say I "failed" to add like King and the rest..I think we both know that I would have went into far more detail if she had wanted that..What important information didn't I include about Two Eyed Jack that you also didn't include in your post? I'll really go into detail if you want..She may be foundation bred but yes, those names are farther back on her pedigree that I like to see when looking to buy a horse. But, that's just my opinion, I' not bashing the horse. In fact, I said that she was probably a very nice little all around mare...

Here are the details I "failed" to add..

Poco Bueno- Breeder: Jess Hankins, Rocksprings, TX.
Owner: E. P. Waggoner, Ft. Worth, TX.
100% Foundation
H-37.0/P-8.0
AQHA Champion/ROM Arena/Hall of Fame
Sire of AQHA Chs/ROM Arena/Pro.Dghts/etc.
HERDA Carrier
He was grand champion stallion at Denvers National Western Stock Show, the Southwestern Exposition and Fat Stock Show in Fort Worth, State Fair of Texas in Dallas and the American Royal Livestock Show in Kansas City. As a 4-year-old, in 1948, Poco Bueno started his performance career as a cutting horse, and his amazing ability helped him to quickly acquire an impressive record - and a legion of fans. He was the first quarter horse to be insured for $100,000.00. Poco Bueno died November 28, 1969 and Mr. Waggoner left specific instructions in his will that Poco Bueno was to be buried in a standing position in a grave across from the ranch entrance on Hwy. 283.
More info can be found at Waggoners Poco Bueno Info

King -Breeder: Burney James, Encinal, TX.
Owner: Jess Hankins, Rocksprings, TX.
100%fnd
AQHA Hall of Fame
Died 1958
A L.M. Gdsire ROM Race, A Leading sire/Maternal G.Sire AQHA CHs. & ROM Arena
Sire Of 2 AQHA HofF: Poco Bueno & Royal King
658 foals, 218 performers from 23 crops. 35 race starters, 17 winners, 44 wins, 12 ROM/183 show performers, 104 hlt.pt. (1,088 pts); 107 perf.pt.-earners (2,061 pts)
147 total pt-earners with a total of 3,149 points All Divisions combined.

Mr San Peppy -H-0/P-161
He was inducted into the NCHA Hall of Fame, along with his son Peppy San Badger and his full brother Peppy San. He was inducted to the AQHA Hall of Fame in 2011,joining his son Peppy San Badger and his full brother, Peppy San, who was inducted in 1999. World Champion, NCHA Finals, 1972 NCHA Derby Champion Top Ten World Show, Superior Performance, AQHA High Point Performance Horse, NCHA money-earner, ROM Performance. Stallion Offspring Record for Mr San Peppy, World Champion Offspring, Reserve World Champion Offspring, Top Ten World Show Offspring, Superior Performance Offspring, AQHA High Point Performance Offspring, ROM Performance Offspring, NRHA Money-earners, NCHA Money-earners, NRCHA Money-earners, Halter Point Earners. Besides being a two-time National Cutting Horse Association (NCHA) Open World Champion in 1974 and 1976, MR SAN PEPPY also won the AQHA World Cutting Championship in 1976, becoming the first horse ever to win both titles in the same year. Then, in 1978, he became the first horse to ever win over $l00,000 in open cutting competition. The pinnacle of his career occurred in 1974, when he became the youngest horse ever to be inducted into the NCHA Hall of Fame. He is a full brother to PEPPY SAN and Miss Leo Peppy.

Sonny Dee Bar - Sonny Dee Bar sired, among others, such famous horses as Maid of Luck, Red Sonny Dee, Lucky Machine, Sonny Go Lucky, Sonny Deluxe, Dirty Larry, Sonny Go Royal, James Caan, and Scotch Bar Time.[4] He sired 1070 Quarter Horse foals in his breeding career, with thirty-one of them AQHA Champions, one AQHA Supreme Champion, and five AQHA World Champions.[1] Scotch Bar Time was inducted into the National Snaffle Bit Association (or NSBA) Hall of Fame in 2002.[5]
Sonny Dee Bar was inducted into the AQHA Hall of Fame

Poco Tivio- has won $11,188.39 in NCHA Top Ten World Show AQHA Champion NCHA money-earner Halter Point Earner ROM Performance Awards: COA, Bronze Stallion Offspring: Superior Performance Offspring AQHA Champion Offspring ROM Performance Offspring NCHA Money-earners Halter Point Earner.

Watch Joe Jack -Top Ten World Show Superior Halter Superior Western Pleasure AQHA High Point Performance Horse AQHA Champion ROM Performance

Poco Stripe - H-1,P-0
AQHA Halter Point earner
Sire of AQHA ROM Arena, Halter point earners & NCHA Futurity Semi-finalist
Known HERDA carrier.
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The mare doesn't have any Doc Bar on her pedigree until one mare by DoC Bar 10 generation back on her dam's side.. It had little to no effect on the mare...The owners carred the close "Doc" from a horse named Doctor Tivio..and the "Bar" came from Three Bars about 15 generations back..It's people wanting tp bring the bigger names forward on the papers to make the horse seem like it has bigger names closer when it doesn't..


But again, there are no big names closer than four generations back..The mare should have a nice set up and be a very nice little all around mare..IF she isn't a HERDA carrier...But, I have high standards when spending money on a horse, because they are an investment to me, and big names on at least the second generation is a must for me..I'm not saying that to bash the mare, put her down, or turn you away from her. There are just a few things I that would make me not even look at her, especially because two of the closest big names are both HERDA carriers.

Here is her information from AQHA..
PEDIGREE RECORD 2008, AQHA. All Rights Reserved.
Her registration papers show nothing big except Poco Bueno and Poco Stripe...both HERDA carriers.

Have I failed to leave anything out this time? Or do you want me to go 20 generations back and see what I can find?
     
    02-25-2012, 03:56 PM
  #18
Green Broke
Two Eyed Jack- Two Eyed Jack was foaled in 1961, a sorrel stallion bred by H. H. Mass. His sire was Two D Two, a descendant of Old Sorrel. Owned by Pitzer, he earned the rest of those halter points, as well picking up another 46.5 points in Western Pleasure, 7 points in hunt seat, 3 more points in Western Riding, 3 in working cow horse and 6 points in reining.[2] Those points earned Two Eyed Jack an AQHA Superior Halter Horse award along with his AQHA Championship and a Performance Register of Merit.[3]
Two Eyed Jack is the all time leading sire of AQHA Champions, having sired 119 Champions. He also sired sixteen AQHA World Show Champions, as well as 242 Performance Register of Merit earners.[7] He also sired three AQHA Supreme Champions.[5] His daughter Vickie Lee Pine was the 1978 AQHA World Show Superhorse. Among his other offspring were Two Eyed Patti, Two Eyed Donna, Watch Joe Jack, Two Eyed Del, Deacon Jack, Two ID Bartender, Jack Eyed, and Two Jack.[3]
He was inducted into the AQHA Hall of Fame.[8] In 2007 Western Horseman magazine chose Two Eyed Jack as number four on their list of top ten ranch horse bloodlines.[9]
     
    02-25-2012, 09:37 PM
  #19
Banned
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Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
Have I failed to leave anything out this time? Or do you want me to go 20 generations back and see what I can find?
WOW, SOMEONE IS IN A FOWL MOOD!

I did not say you left anything out to be mean or say you were lacking in any info given.....I meant that the only thing you stated about Two Eyed Jack was that he "did produce offspring that do well in speed events"....that is what I meant by saying you failed to include some other important info. I did not go into details about him because I linked it to the info you posted in you last comment.

Don't get snappy with me missy, I was not trying to be snappy with you.

You gave very good info, you also gave you opinion.....that was all I was giving...my opinion! HERDA carrier or not Poco Beuno was a very nice horse.....and like I said before if the test come back clear I would be interested.
That is MY personal opinion, just because it is not the same as yours does not mean the comments and the info you have given has no valid points.
     
    02-25-2012, 10:21 PM
  #20
Green Broke
Fowl have feathers...not a mood. I'm not getting snappy, I'm just adding facts. You said I failed to give information about stuff that I know very well..When the OP didn't ask for information on the bigger horses...I listed that information I failed to add to my first post...My opinion is that it's a mare with mediocre bloodlines, the OP could find better. I wouldn't buy her.
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