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Not to raise or to raise a foal?

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View Poll Results: Raise a foal or not?
Yes 22 84.62%
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    09-28-2008, 11:36 PM
  #1
Weanling
Not to raise or to raise a foal?

Here is the scenerio:

My dad has a Chestnut AQHA Stallion that is Jackie Bee / Zippo Pine Bar bred. We have owned this stallion since he was 1 year old and he has sired at least 25 foals. The stallion is 7 years old. The plan in the near future is the geld this stallion and train him to be a riding horse... near future could be as year as next year.

We have sold all of our broodmares, except for one that I recently purchased. AQHA Buckskin mare that is Watch Joe Jack, and Two Eyed Jack bred. She is 3 years old.

Question is: Would you breed this bucksking mare to the chestnut stallion before he becomes a gelding?
     
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    09-29-2008, 01:29 AM
  #2
Foal
I would, definitely !
The foal may be your last for a while, and I think it would be good to own the last foal from that stally. And, if the foal was a colt, and your stally bred good foals, it might be an idea to keep him a stallion. Even if it is a filly, it still would turn out the same way.

Personally, I would.
     
    09-29-2008, 03:22 PM
  #3
Trained
Well I'm going to give you my honest opinion here!

I love and I mean LOVE the Jackie Bee and Two Eyed Jack lines. I find that both of these lines produce very easy to train kind foals that will give you everything. Not to mention that they are big and pretty!! (usually)

However you really have to watch that Zippo Pine Bar line. Alot of the times that line does throw foals that are very hard to handle and train.

If I were you this is what I would do..

I would start the stallion now, still has a stallion to see how his training ability is, you really can't go on his past foals because they have been crossed with many other lines (I'm assuming anyways)

If he is trainable and kind then I WOULD breed the mare next year.

I do like the Zippo Pine Bar lines when you find the ones that are trainable! Just make sure your stallion is one of the trainable ones.
     
    09-29-2008, 08:51 PM
  #4
Weanling
My answer would be "no" simpley because there are already thousands of horses that are unwanted and need homes without bringing yet another into the world. You say that the plan for the stallion it to geld him and train him as a riding horse....i'll assume he's never been broke? What has the stallion accomplished to warrant breeding to him? Is he a halter champion? Same goes for the mare.
     
    09-29-2008, 08:54 PM
  #5
Weanling
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Originally Posted by FehrGroundRanch

However you really have to watch that Zippo Pine Bar line. Alot of the times that line does throw foals that are very hard to handle and train.......

I do like the Zippo Pine Bar lines when you find the ones that are trainable! Just make sure your stallion is one of the trainable ones.
Zippos Sensation horses tend to be easy to train, same goes for Zippos Mr. Goodbar horses. The Zippo line is a good line if crossed and bred right but it's also one of the bloodlines, Like Scotch Bar Time, that everyone thinks is outstanding just because. The horses need to do something to warrant breeding them IMO.
     
    09-30-2008, 12:51 AM
  #6
Trained
I never said that they were all hard to train just alot of them. Here in Alberta people tend to double breed the Zippo Pine Bar line and those horses, most of the time, are mean buckers and very hard to train.
     
    10-01-2008, 09:50 PM
  #7
Showing
I tend to shy away from breeding more foals BUT I will say that the best horses I have owned, were ones I brought up myself and did all training on myself.
If you're willing to spend a lot of money in training and wait for him/her to grow then do it.
     
    10-02-2008, 10:20 AM
  #8
Green Broke
With those bloodlines? I would breed breed breed
     
    10-02-2008, 11:53 AM
  #9
Started
Do you have pics of these horses? Even with the good bloodlines conformation is also a concern. What are your plans for the foal? If you are planning on just selling I wouldnt breed... if you are wanting to keep then maybe breed. But there are a lot of nice foals out there right now that you can pick up cheap, so take that in consideration as well.
     
    10-02-2008, 09:06 PM
  #10
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel_Leaguer
do you have pics of these horses? Even with the good bloodlines conformation is also a concern. What are your plans for the foal? If you are planning on just selling I wouldnt breed... if you are wanting to keep then maybe breed. But there are a lot of nice foals out there right now that you can pick up cheap, so take that in consideration as well.
Exactly. 8)
     

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