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Odd Color: Bucknut?

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So Kelty here is a five year old registered American Quarter. He's registered as a chestnut, but the last time i checked, chestnuts do not have black mane and tails. But buckskins have black points, which Kelty doesn't have.

At my stable, we jokingly refer to him as a 'bucknut'
His sire, Mitey Jody, is a black
And his dam, Rack an Ruin, is a chestnut.

I have all the colors back to his Great-Grandparents, if anyone would like to know.

Could he be the first recorded grulla without a dorsal stripe?

Let me know what you think! And I'll put in some pictures






Mottling on the hindquarters and back leg?


(thats my mom, aka: treat-lady)



Here's a close-up of the mane. The damaged flaxen/blonde/yellow stuff was all he had when i purchased him, but I've been taking care of it and all the new growth is black! (as you can see)
Underneath, there isn't a trace of yellow.
 
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#2 ·
I am not an expert but it looks like a red dun.... ?
 
#11 ·
Your horse is just chestnut. They come in hundreds of shades, and my Arab mare actually has a partially black tail, darker even then his mane.

The second photo you posted is a red dun - the zeba stripes or "barring" on his legs is a dead giveaway. Basically, he's just a chestnut with the dun gene.
 
#14 ·
He is definitely a chestnut. If there is no dorsal stripe, then dun is impossible. Though it does look like he has at least the sooty modifier acting on his color. Unfortunately, chestnut is one of those colors that has thousands of variations and no 2 will ever be exactly the same color.
 
#17 ·
If the parents were black and chestnut, the only 3 colours that are ever genetically possible from that mix would be black, chestnut, or bay (if the chestnut parent carried agouti). Your horse is a chestnut, and probably has the sooty gene that is making parts of him appear darker. It is impossible for him to be a dun, since neither of his parents carried the dun gene.
 
#18 ·
Thank you for the help. i was under the impression chestnuts mane and tail had to be the same or lighter than their coat color.

As for his coat color...

I will say I think his dull colour could be condition. He looks under weight and wormy to me
First off, I wouldn't describe his coat as dull, and I can assure you he is a healthy weight, free from worms, and any other "health condition."

He is nice and shiny in the sunlight. the other pics were taken in the shade.
 
#19 ·
My horse is a dun. Does he have tiger stripes on the back of his legs or a dorsal stripe? This is what classifies them as a dun. I used to have a horse that was a buckskin (he had the black mane and tail and black legs), but he was registered as a red dun because he had a dorsal stripes and the tiger stripes on the backs of his legs.

That's a gorgeous horse! If you asked me, I would say he is sorrel.
 
#21 · (Edited)
If it had black legs/mane/tail, zebra stripes, and a dorsal stripe whoever registered it as a red dun had no idea what they were talking about.

Red dun is basically a chestnut horse with a dun gene, they won't have any black markings. A bay (or zebra) dun is a bay horse with a dun gene, they have black markings. My horse is a bay dun and my friend has a red dun. Their coloration is nothing alike, except that they both have zebra stripes, dorsal stripes, wither marks, mask, etc. The red dun's dun factor markings are all a deep red color and Soda's are black on the legs and reddish on the rest of the body (because the black is restricted to the points due to agouti).

Any color guru is free to correct me where I got something wrong, I know I don't know everything about color.

For examples:

Soda - a bay or "zebra" dun
Horse Mammal Vertebrate Mane Mare


Dangit I don't have the pic of my friends horse on the comp. Let me look
 
#22 ·
If it had black legs/mane/tail, zebra stripes, and a dorsal stripe whoever registered it as a red dun had no idea what they were talking about.

Red dun is basically a chestnut horse with a dun gene, they won't have any black markings. A bay (or zebra) dun is a bay horse with a dun gene, they have black markings. My horse is a bay dun and my friend has a red dun. Their coloration is nothing alike, except that they both have zebra stripes, dorsal stripes, wither marks, mask, etc. The red dun's dun factor markings are all a deep red color and Soda's are black on the legs and reddish on the rest of the body (because the black is restricted to the points due to agouti).

Any color guru is free to correct me where I got something wrong, I know I don't know everything about color.
I thought the same thing when I got his papers! I was thinking "what?" I just always called him a buckskin.
 
#23 ·
If he looked buckskin but had the dorsal stripe & leg barring, then he was probably a bay/brown dun, like the one MN Tigerstripes posted. Buckskin is caused by the cream gene, which is a completely separate thing from the dun gene. Did it say on his papers what colours his parents were?
 
#25 ·
If he looked buckskin but had the dorsal stripe & leg barring, then he was probably a bay/brown dun, like the one MN Tigerstripes posted. Buckskin is caused by the cream gene, which is a completely separate thing from the dun gene. Did it say on his papers what colours his parents were?

I'm not sure I'd have to dig his papers out to look. But that is definitely a possibility!
 
#24 ·
I do agree with everyone else though. Just a type of chestnut. In order to be a dun, one of the parents MUST be a dun and they have to have that dorsal stripe. Dun is probably my favorite color. My first horse was a regular bay dun. She was the brown color with black mane, tail and legs with the barring on her legs and dorsal stripe. There is also the grulla which is black based horse with the dun gene. You can get dunalinos, Chestnut/sorrel with dun and creme gene. The list goes on and on. Here is my red dun filly as a yearling. Below her is a picture of a weanling red dun with the champagne gene added on.
 
#27 ·
he's only a red dun if he has a dorsal stripe down his back & butt....
he looks like a regular chestnut to me....
if every bit of his mane & tail was black, and below his knees & hocks was BLACKBLACK, he would be a bay.

real cute horse, though! :wink:
 
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