So Kelty here is a five year old registered American Quarter. He's registered as a chestnut, but the last time i checked, chestnuts do not have black mane and tails. But buckskins have black points, which Kelty doesn't have.
At my stable, we jokingly refer to him as a 'bucknut'
His sire, Mitey Jody, is a black
And his dam, Rack an Ruin, is a chestnut.
I have all the colors back to his Great-Grandparents, if anyone would like to know.
Could he be the first recorded grulla without a dorsal stripe?
Let me know what you think! And I'll put in some pictures
Mottling on the hindquarters and back leg?
(thats my mom, aka: treat-lady)
Here's a close-up of the mane. The damaged flaxen/blonde/yellow stuff was all he had when i purchased him, but I've been taking care of it and all the new growth is black! (as you can see)
Underneath, there isn't a trace of yellow.
My old Chestnut TWH had a blackish/much darker read mane and tail. It was a interesting mixture of colors, black, deep deep red, lighter sorrel red, and even a little white. I think that Roro's horse has a similarily darker tail.
Your horse is just chestnut. They come in hundreds of shades, and my Arab mare actually has a partially black tail, darker even then his mane.
The second photo you posted is a red dun - the zeba stripes or "barring" on his legs is a dead giveaway. Basically, he's just a chestnut with the dun gene.
He is definitely a chestnut. If there is no dorsal stripe, then dun is impossible. Though it does look like he has at least the sooty modifier acting on his color. Unfortunately, chestnut is one of those colors that has thousands of variations and no 2 will ever be exactly the same color.
If the parents were black and chestnut, the only 3 colours that are ever genetically possible from that mix would be black, chestnut, or bay (if the chestnut parent carried agouti). Your horse is a chestnut, and probably has the sooty gene that is making parts of him appear darker. It is impossible for him to be a dun, since neither of his parents carried the dun gene.
My horse is a dun. Does he have tiger stripes on the back of his legs or a dorsal stripe? This is what classifies them as a dun. I used to have a horse that was a buckskin (he had the black mane and tail and black legs), but he was registered as a red dun because he had a dorsal stripes and the tiger stripes on the backs of his legs.
That's a gorgeous horse! If you asked me, I would say he is sorrel.
Yes that's the general consensus, he's a chestnut, just like he was registered!
(a more unique one than I've seen)
A red dun buckskin sounds gorgeous!
Thanks again
I have an AQHA gelding almost the identical color....maybe a little darker. My gelding is definitely a chestnut with some dun points (he has leg barring). His mane and tail are a dark brown and almost look black if he's kept out of the sun.
If it had black legs/mane/tail, zebra stripes, and a dorsal stripe whoever registered it as a red dun had no idea what they were talking about.
Red dun is basically a chestnut horse with a dun gene, they won't have any black markings. A bay (or zebra) dun is a bay horse with a dun gene, they have black markings. My horse is a bay dun and my friend has a red dun. Their coloration is nothing alike, except that they both have zebra stripes, dorsal stripes, wither marks, mask, etc. The red dun's dun factor markings are all a deep red color and Soda's are black on the legs and reddish on the rest of the body (because the black is restricted to the points due to agouti).
Any color guru is free to correct me where I got something wrong, I know I don't know everything about color.
For examples:
Soda - a bay or "zebra" dun
Dangit I don't have the pic of my friends horse on the comp. Let me look
If it had black legs/mane/tail, zebra stripes, and a dorsal stripe whoever registered it as a red dun had no idea what they were talking about.
Red dun is basically a chestnut horse with a dun gene, they won't have any black markings. A bay (or zebra) dun is a bay horse with a dun gene, they have black markings. My horse is a bay dun and my friend has a red dun. Their coloration is nothing alike, except that they both have zebra stripes, dorsal stripes, wither marks, mask, etc. The red dun's dun factor markings are all a deep red color and Soda's are black on the legs and reddish on the rest of the body (because the black is restricted to the points due to agouti).
Any color guru is free to correct me where I got something wrong, I know I don't know everything about color.
If he looked buckskin but had the dorsal stripe & leg barring, then he was probably a bay/brown dun, like the one MN Tigerstripes posted. Buckskin is caused by the cream gene, which is a completely separate thing from the dun gene. Did it say on his papers what colours his parents were?
If he looked buckskin but had the dorsal stripe & leg barring, then he was probably a bay/brown dun, like the one MN Tigerstripes posted. Buckskin is caused by the cream gene, which is a completely separate thing from the dun gene. Did it say on his papers what colours his parents were?
I do agree with everyone else though. Just a type of chestnut. In order to be a dun, one of the parents MUST be a dun and they have to have that dorsal stripe. Dun is probably my favorite color. My first horse was a regular bay dun. She was the brown color with black mane, tail and legs with the barring on her legs and dorsal stripe. There is also the grulla which is black based horse with the dun gene. You can get dunalinos, Chestnut/sorrel with dun and creme gene. The list goes on and on. Here is my red dun filly as a yearling. Below her is a picture of a weanling red dun with the champagne gene added on.
he's only a red dun if he has a dorsal stripe down his back & butt....
he looks like a regular chestnut to me....
if every bit of his mane & tail was black, and below his knees & hocks was BLACKBLACK, he would be a bay.
Clair im not an expert but people say im pretty good.i have a 'golden dun' myself! shes registered as a red dun, but she looks just about the same as the golden dun pic.!she has tan/copper coat,red/black/light yellow,mane and tail!
LOL, well then he was a bay dun. It's a relatively common mistake though, I've had actual arguments with people telling me Soda is a buckskin... Now I just shake my head and shut my mouth if they persist in arguing after the initial explanation
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