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    06-07-2012, 12:00 PM
Paint horse breeders nowadays..

I own a breeding stock paint filly, and I work with various other paints, and I have come to the conclusion that the Paint world is getting ruined by breeding for color. So many loud colored horses I see were just bred for color, so they are not the best quality horse otherwise. My filly was bred from a solid stallion (well, Palimino, so he's registered overo because of pink skin on this mane and tail) and an overo mare, she was not bred for color at all, and she is a fantastic horse, nice conformation, sturdy little attractive filly. A gelding I have in training is a super loud overo gelding bred for color, he has a nice body, but his hocks and stifles are crap, tiny little 00 feet, and super base narrow, he was bred to be a loud colored horse, and the quality of him suffered because of that. I guess this post is just kind of a rant, but it really upsets me to see APHA and PtHA kind of pushing this also, I understand why they have color and breeding stock registries to preserve the color, but it's starting to turn me off from the color breeds.
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    06-07-2012, 12:24 PM
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I agree, but it's not just color. I knew a couple who bred for bloodlines, but had no clue what they were doing because they just threw a mare a stud together simply to "see what they got".
For ANY breed I believe the first thing to look for above anything else is conformation and then disposition along with any REAL ability.
I'm sorry, but EVERY horse with a pedigree is linked to someone famous and if that horse is not the sire, dam or in the first 2 generations then really, who cares? Especially if the horse in question displays no ability connected with that of a relative.
The people I mentioned above had a stallion with excellent bloodlines (sire was in the cutting horse hall of fame) and decent conformation but the worst disposition ever! And he passed it on to all his foals.
But these are amatures who think all breeding is about is having a couple studs, a couple mares and popping out babies every year and thinking that they can get a fortune for them without any training.
The professionals will breed for color, but they will also take everything else into consideration as well before putting two horses together.
    06-07-2012, 12:27 PM
Yes, there is a farm in my area who just breed whatever horses they have, and most of the horses turn out being okay, and selling for about 2000 or so, and the other half end up having terrible confo, or other issues and get sent to auction as yearlings, it horrifies me.
    06-07-2012, 12:29 PM
I'm just curious if the horses and breeders you two are referring to are involved in halter or performance or anything in particular?
Or were they all just bred for the heck of it?
    06-07-2012, 12:30 PM
The breeders in my first post do halter and performance, and in the second post, they just do backyard pleasure stuff.
    06-07-2012, 12:44 PM
Breeding for color is a crapshoot. You breed 2 loud horses and you still can get a solid.

The horses they are breeding are for a specific discipline. The little feet, muscle body, toothpick legs are that of a halter horse. A barrel horse will have more substance to their bone and hoof. It's all about the body type.

I think you are making an over generalization in regards to paint breeders. A true paint breeder will better the breed. A backyard breeder will breed for color... Find a reputable breeder, you will get a quality animal. Problem is, many people don't want to pay the price of a well bred, nicely conformed horse.
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    06-07-2012, 01:01 PM
In Texas, or my area anyway, frame overos are popular and of course there's no guarantee of getting one unless you want to risk OLWS so people breed and breed. Lucky for me, my new filly is a solid palomino but she comes from great lines. She was not a frame so she was cheap. Somtimes it works out, but yes the paint world breeds quite a bit for color. If you go to World APHA or some of the bigger APHA shows you do see that color is great but quality is still king. I don't want to know how many times the breeder tried for that frame overo and sold the solid that was produced, but the one in the ring sure is pretty.
    06-07-2012, 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by CLaPorte432    
I think you are making an over generalization in regards to paint breeders. A true paint breeder will better the breed. A backyard breeder will breed for color... Find a reputable breeder, you will get a quality animal. Problem is, many people don't want to pay the price of a well bred, nicely conformed horse.
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That's what I was going to get at. I think the OP is making a generalization based on backyard breeders. That doesn't make it any better though! My pet peeve is people who breed just for color or just because they like their mare or just because they want a baby. Anyway, at high-level APHA shows, performance and conformation are still first and foremost. In fact, when I was showing loud colored horses were going out of style. That's silly considering we were on paints... but it makes my point!
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    06-07-2012, 01:50 PM
I agree that large APHA shows still look for quality, there are lots of minimal whites that are super world quality horses for APHA, I was just saying I have noticed more people breeding just for color now that years ago. I also hatee when people breed a mare just because the horse is special to them, and the mare is not quality, that's how we end up with so many unwanted horses!
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    06-07-2012, 02:05 PM
Weird, all the reputable breeders in my area, up near Aubrey, all want minimal white. Although, there is a huge trend to breed homozygous tobianos over the frame overos these days. Mostly because there is a branching out of talent. None of the Simons, Yarnelles, Hansons, Luebbers, etc. give a crap about breeding for color. And even so, paint judges still place the minimal sorrel overo over everything else because they can assume what bloodlines are in it (just my observation after showing a black and white horse for several years). Although if you have a SBP you're screwed for showing/marketing.

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