Paint or QH??

Sandie is buckskin, with a white face mask, and she is a registered Paint horse with the APHA. But sometimes my trainer and others at the barn (even the vet!) will call her a Quarter Horse...even though they know she's a registered Paint. I've been told there is some sort of a connection to the breeds, like all Paints started as QH's??

Can anyone explain this to me? So is she a Paint or a QH? Or both?? Here's her pic by the way

Our trainer does the same thing. He calls our APHA horse and his paints and QHs all QH. Our paint horse has QH grandparents. Look at your papers. I'd bet that there are some QH grandparents in your horse's lineage.

APHA horses are a separate breed but they were originally outcroppings from mostly QH and TBs.

Thanks joshie, that's what I was guessing, that the lineage had something to do with it! And she definitely does look like a QH...the vet said she looked like a "foundation QH" -- are you familiar with that term (because I'm not really lol)?

Well if she is a breeding stock paint she is still a paint, not a quarter horse. If you look at your mare's registration papers you will probably see lots of quarter horses in her pedigree as with almost any other paint but that doesn't make them all quarter horses. You could register her with the American Buckskin Registry Association that might add some additional value to her and would give you another show outlet if you are interested. Here is the link AMERICAN BUCKSKIN REGISTRY ASSOCIATION, INC. ~ A.B.R.A. .

Foundation paints and QH are horses who have certain ancestors. Think old ranch horses.

FOUNDATION QUARTER HORSES
FQHA ©* Foundation Quarter Horse Association © The Original Non-Profit Foundation Quarter Horse Association

Our APHA boy doesn't have a whole lot of white on him. He's a paint nevertheless. He's a brown with minimal white tobiano. When he sheds out he turns shiny black but he fades in the sun. Here he is doing his favorite activity!

"Only horses that are 90% and above Foundation Quarter Horse blood are eligible for full FQHA registration. Horses at least 85% foundation but less than 90% will be registered in the Appendix section."

I know the statement above doesn't answer your question but foundation it is how close to pure bred pedigree the animal is. I think that is the easiest way to explain it... but I could be wrong.

Okay, its really simple. QHs and Paints are the same thing, the only difference is color! Yeah Paints are a separate breed now, but the APHA wasn't created until the 1960s because of all the crop out coloring in QHs and TBs. You will notice that the APHA and the AQHA have the same foundation stallions. So of course your horse looks like a QH, because its either a breeding stock or minimum white Paint. Essentially your horse is a QH, except his papers denote otherwise. Two Quarter Horses can produce a Paint, this is known as a crop out. It can be double registered AQHA and APHA, but the only way a horse can be double registered is if it is a crop out QH. We even have a QH with 2 blue eyes, which is a Paint characteristic. This goes further to show the close connection between the QH and Paint breeds.

If she isn't colored then she will look exactly like a QH. Because Paints are just colored TB and QH that needed their own registry. So w/o looking at her papers it's almost impossible to know she's a paint if you don't already know.

Just like megannigan said

No, it's not that simple. Since the Paint breed contains what were crop outs from QH and TBs, Paints are not just colored QH. Paints may not necessarily be registered as QH.

APHA.Com - The Breed
" To be eligible for registry, a Paint's sire and dam must be registered with the American Paint Horse Association, the American Quarter Horse Association, or the Jockey Club (Thoroughbreds). At least one parent must be a registered American Paint Horse. To be eligible for the Regular Registry, the horse must also exhibit a minimum amount of white hair over unpigmented (pink) skin."

AQHA BEGINS REGISTERING HORSES NOW ELIGIBLE

So, if 2 QH parents have a colored foal, that foal is a QH, not an APHA horse.

Pintos may be found in many horse breeds. But Pintos may or may not be Paints.

For a long time if two QHs had a colored foal it couldn't be registered as a QH... but I think they recently changed that