Paints are QH's with color??

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        11-23-2008, 01:27 AM
    Paints are QH's with color??

    I just read that in a post in the critique section and yet on my filly's Reg papers it says "this horse has white markings designated under AQHA rules as an undesirable trait and uncharacteristic of the breed" all because she has a patch of white hair with underlying pink skin on her left hind gaskin (and it ain't big either) She has been DNA typed, what is the need of putting that on her papers anyway?!
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        11-23-2008, 03:10 AM
    They are, along with crosses, and TB's

    I don't know a whole lot when it comes to QH world under the AQHA. But that sounds about right.

    Don't feel bad, the APHA has its color regulations as well, and without enough white, you can end up with a "solid breed" registered paint. It used to be refered to as "Breedstock Paint".

    Each association canhave some pretty wild restrictions when it comes to color.
        11-23-2008, 04:14 AM
    Thanks for your reply Midwest I personally don't get all the color drama.......... a good horse is a good horse, is a good horse and I don't think his (her) color has a lot to do with it. I mean I love a pretty paint as much as the next person, but for the AQHA to state on her papers that my filly, (because she has a tiny white marking on her gaskin) has an "undesirable trait" that is "uncharacteristic of the breed" is ridiculous in my opinion! Why the hell would that matter? She's still as quick, still as sweet, still as spirited, still as AQHA (she has NO APHA in her heratige) as she would be if she didn't have a white spot on her gaskin..... oh wait...... is there some sort of scientific proof that a white spot causes a 3.5 second speed decrease or something??! NO.....I didn't think so. It's like comparing blonde , brunette and redheaded women, we're all women, we all have the same parts for crikey sake. Yeah go ahead dudes, you tell your brunette GF that she has an "undesirable" trait ........I dare Ya!!!!!!!!
        11-23-2008, 06:57 AM
    The thing to remember is that the breed registries were formed by large breeders who had their own $$ interests in mind, not science or genetics, and they 'defined' what the breed was/is and the 'ideal' horse of the breed.
    Although I'm sure purists would disagree, QHs (solid or marked) and Paints (marked or solid) are indeed the 'same' horse.
    Our seasoned mare Angel (tobiano Paint) had a Paint sire and a QH dam. Why is she a Paint? Because she has the required Paint color/markings AND a Paint parent. Why isn't she a QH? Because a QH can't have her white and can't have a Paint parent.
    It is sad (IMHO) that the registristries use labels like 'undesireable trait', 'crop outs' and 'rejects'. What's even sadder is that at least years ago, unless these horse had some other trait the breeder thought was worth propagating, these horses were 'culled out'....and we all know what that means.
    A good horse is indeed a good horse, and our Paint mares love their QH 'cousins', too.
        11-23-2008, 03:06 PM
    Breed registry's can be pretty silly. My geldings sire is a black and white Tobiano who's double registered. As a Missouri Fox Trotter and as 'Spotted Saddle Horse'

    I just laugh and ask, "Whats the difference?!"

    Just snub your nose at the AQHA undesirable trait my rear. I bet it's a cute little spot.
        11-23-2008, 04:12 PM
    I don't know why that is in place, but I don't see it as an undersierable trait at all, acutally I think it makes them a very unique QH.
        11-24-2008, 02:35 PM
    I don't fully know the reasoning... but I think AQHA doesnt want white because otherwise it would be more of a paint horse??? Not sure if that made But I think that are basically the same type of horse. Most are generally built the same, do the same as far as speed events, pleasure, etc... and you find bloodlines cross as well.
        11-24-2008, 04:12 PM
    Yes but a QH is a QH a paint very well could be 95% and 5% paint.
        11-24-2008, 05:21 PM
    Originally Posted by FehrGroundRanch    
    Yes but a QH is a QH a paint very well could be 95% and 5% paint.
    Please explain. QH (AQHA) and Paint (APHA) are registries, not zooligical classifications. They are QH and Paint by definition. If you look far enough back in both QH and Paint bloodlines, they all go back to crosses with TBs, Arabs, etc.
        11-24-2008, 05:25 PM
    Ooooooookkkkk???? Lol.

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