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    03-05-2010, 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by PaintsPwn    
Cowboy doesn't have QH in the first three generations n___nb I'm pretty sure Tuff doesn't either, but he was just born last year so he doesn't count, but Cowboy's 9 now, so I guess he's an oddity in Kevin's world?
Post a copy of the papers and prove me wrong.
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    03-05-2010, 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by Eastowest    
Do you have her sire's and dam's registered names? If you could post them, we could research and have fun along with you, speculating what she might excell at based on ancestry.....
I would ABSOLUTELY love that! I don't have membership privileges as of yet.

Sire: Britches in a Twist #103393
Dam: Ayr Bint Reba #0538930

Thanks so much!
    03-05-2010, 04:53 PM
Originally Posted by Mercedes    
People will claim upside, backwards, and forwards that Paints and QH's are the same. They no longer are the same. It would be like saying the Andalusian and Lusitano are the same. They also are not.

With the specialization of QH's for each of the western disciplines, the QH looks very different than the Paint in most cases...over and above the color factor. There also tend to be very distinct differences in temperament.
Riddle me this then, if a QH and a Paint horse are so different in looks, temperament and discipline, then what do you call a double registered AQHA/APHA horse?

Which one is a Paint horse and which one is a QH....
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    03-05-2010, 05:31 PM
Originally Posted by GottaRide    
Riddle me this then, if a QH and a Paint horse are so different in looks, temperament and discipline, then what do you call a double registered AQHA/APHA horse?
What kind of an argument is that? Just because people cross them doesn't mean they are the same.
    03-05-2010, 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by Eastowest    
If "Tuff" is Scotch Times Tuffy, he is sired by a horse who is double registered APHA and AQHA.
So what? They allow non-warmbloods into warmblood registries. Doesn't make the horse 'the same'.
    03-05-2010, 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
The APHA allows outcrosses to QH's and TB's.
EXACTLY! Allowing other breeds into a registry allows changes within the breed to occur.

Quarter Horses and Paints compete in the exact same events often with each other.
Only if they aren't specifically APHA or AQHA or specfied in some other manner. If it's an AQHA event, there aren't any 'Paints' in it unless the AQHA has allowed said Paint to be registered with them.

It's irrelevant what criteria allow the horses to be cross-registered. Both Lusitanos and Andalusians can be registered in some of the same registries, doesn't make them the same horse.

I challenge you to find a paint horse pedigree that doesn't have a QH in the first 3 generations. You will find very few that don't have a QH in the first or second generations.
That'll depend on breeders programs and who's breeding true to type and who's trying to get individuals capable of being double registered to increase their value. There certainly are alot of QH's that don't have Paints in them for breeders who want to compete in AQHA only...too risky if they get color, even from a breeding stock Paint.
    03-05-2010, 05:54 PM
I honestly think they need to close the books. None of this AQHA and APHA cross registry bull. If we're going to do that, let's throw our hats in the air, and create a Stock Horse Association where as long as the horse it to 'type', let them compete against each other.
    03-05-2010, 07:05 PM
Mercedes In most of your posts you seem quite knowledgeable but this is one area where you are very underinformed. The AQHA will register anything that has two AQHA parents. It no longer matters how much white the horse has on it, therefore, there is no risk in breeding to double registered horses. Paint horses and QH share the same type of conformation and many of the same bloodlines. You can argue all you want but that is the fact. I'm sure in many areas you are well informed but this is not one of them. Paints compete with QH's on the race track and in reining and cutting with much success. Other breeds are allowed to compete in NRHA, NCHA and NRCHA events but they have little to no success because they lack the natural drive and athletisism that is inherent in the APHA and AQHA horses.
    03-05-2010, 07:50 PM

I can't understand this for the life of me, nor have I ever attempted to read one before. Here is her mom's pedigree. Now I have to dig up her dad's. Can anyone translate this for me? Or do any of the names look familiar? I ave spent far too much time learning about her lineage today, more than I have on my own family tree. I think I'm going to go play with her now, lol.
    03-05-2010, 07:53 PM
I've heard of Bask and Kemosabi so they must be pretty famous. I don't know much about arab bloodlines.

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