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    02-26-2010, 07:33 PM
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Weanling
Question Percheron/TB cross??

I'm looking at a Percheron/Thoroughbred cross gelding as a possible new event horse...anyone have any experience with this cross? He is well-trained, athletic, young, good jumper, good conformation...just wanted to hear if anyone has had any success/unsuccess with this cross.
     
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    02-26-2010, 07:36 PM
  #2
Green Broke
The ones I've seen have looked horrible. Big head, big body, little legs/feet. I'm sure there are some good looking crosses out there though.

Do you have any pictures?
     
    02-26-2010, 07:36 PM
  #3
Yearling
I'll be watching this thread. I love TB/Draft crosses :)
     
    02-26-2010, 07:37 PM
  #4
Green Broke
Don't let the draft cross part scare you away. There are some really nice draft crosses out there (I have one!) however, it would be impossible to tell if you have found one without pics. This cross can go very wrong.
     
    02-26-2010, 08:00 PM
  #5
Weanling
Percheron/TBs can be great! Of course every individual horse is different. Last year I worked for a Dressage barn that specialized in breeding and training TB/Percheron crosses. These were top notch horses, FEI horses. A few were grand prix dressage horses. They all had varying degrees of percheron and TB. I had the pleasure of breaking in a young Percheron x Percheron/TB named Irwin. He is my favorite horse in the whole world. Most willing and athletic horse I have ever had the pleasure of working with. I miss him so bad.
Here is a link to that farm's website if you want to have a look at their horses: Dressage Horses for Sale

Good luck! I would love to see pictures of the horse you are looking at.

Jubilee
     
    02-26-2010, 08:25 PM
  #6
Weanling
Sorry for double posting, I just wanted to show some great pictures of some of the horses I knew at the barn I worked at. All of these photos are taken by Jennifer Kaiser of Forrest Hill Farm and Kaiser Dressage

Portmanteau Registered American Warmblood (Percheron/TB) FEI Stallion (Sire was the late Cottonwood Flame, a USDF Grand Prix gold medal percheron)




Victor, another Percheron/TB bred by Forrest Hill Farm. He is also a Grand Prix winning horse. Here he is pictured with his owner Ellen Denis as she is earning her USDF Gold Medal






Here is Bret, another Forrest Hill Percheron/TB. He is about 90% blind and yet he is still one of the most talented dressage horses I have had the pleasure of knowing.


Of course, not all Percheron/TBs are going to be like theses ones, but I just wanted to show you how great they can be.

Jubilee
     
    02-26-2010, 09:44 PM
  #7
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Originally Posted by hrsrdr    
I'm looking at a Percheron/Thoroughbred cross gelding as a possible new event horse...anyone have any experience with this cross? He is well-trained, athletic, young, good jumper, good conformation...just wanted to hear if anyone has had any success/unsuccess with this cross.
If your talking training level and lower eventing, ride a camel for all it matters. If your talking Prelim and up...probably not going to work. The cross will have a too high ratio of the bulky fast twitch muscles and won't have the speed and stamina to make the CC times.
     
    02-27-2010, 08:54 AM
  #8
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Mercedes    
If your talking training level and lower eventing, ride a camel for all it matters. If your talking Prelim and up...probably not going to work. The cross will have a too high ratio of the bulky fast twitch muscles and won't have the speed and stamina to make the CC times.

Please don't generalize. I can't speak specifically for the horse that hrsrdr is looking at, but Percheron/TBs can be great upper level show horses. Look again at the photos I posted. All three of those horses are exactly half percheron half TB. Cottonwood Flame was a pure percheron and he was a Grand Prix winning horse. My trainer earned her USDF gold medal on him. He is dead now, but his babies have done phenomenal in the show ring. Grant it, these are dressage horses I am talking about, I don't know a whole lot about eventing, but I do know that some of Woody's babies have gone on to be eventing horses and Woody himself spent a time as an eventing horse.

It is true that SOME percheron crosses are going to be slow and bulky, but you can't generalize them all that way because it is just not true. I hate it when people write off a horse as a potential show horse and athlete just because they are part draft. In my opinion, Percheron/TB's can be the perfect combination for an athlete. It all depends on the individual.

Jubilee
     
    02-27-2010, 10:55 AM
  #9
Green Broke
^ THANK YOU!! I was about to post the same thing.

It all depends on who the parents are and what their talent/conformation is like. If the parents have poor conformation, yeah, the baby is going to have poor conformation. But it's like that in ANY breed. You can't just generalize draft crosses like that.

I have found that it also depends on the specific percentage of draft. Many half crosses are heavier, and have a worse reputation because of it. But that doesn't mean they can't go above Training! This is why many people are driven away from draft crosses, because they are grouped together as untalented and ugly. Not true of all of them!

3/4 TB 1/4 Draft is my favorite cross. It has the best of both worlds. Stamina of the TB, heart of the TB, and the kind mind and sturdiness of the draft.
     
    02-27-2010, 11:22 AM
  #10
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Mercedes    
If your talking training level and lower eventing, ride a camel for all it matters. If your talking Prelim and up...probably not going to work. The cross will have a too high ratio of the bulky fast twitch muscles and won't have the speed and stamina to make the CC times.

I am sorry, you may mean well, but you seem to have a lot of very negative comments all over the forums, I think you could have come up with a nicer way to get your message out there.

At the OP: There are some very talented draft crosses out there, not all of them are going to be bulky monsters. Check out the eventing percheron blog if you want to see a pure bred percheron doing well at eventing even.

Some pictures of your possible purchase may help us help you a little more too. If he is well-trained and seems like a sweet horse, then I would go for it anyway, if you out grow him in a couple of years at least you got the experience with a good calm horse and can move to something bigger and better later.
     

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