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        12-16-2007, 08:43 PM
      #21
    Weanling
    Well I personally think its rude to discredit any discipline on the basis of prejudice. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I would receive a lot of backlash if I went around saying "oh I hate this breed their so ugly or they serve no purpose.. etc." My opinion is that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

    I've ridden many seats. I started at a hc hunter/jumper farm, I've taken my Morgan gelding Hunters, Jumpers, Western Pleasure & Eq, Hunter Pleasure & Eq, and Dressage. I've driven horses, and I ride saddleseat. I've also taken polo cross & sidesaddle lessons. I would ride a thoroughbred around the one mile if given the chance, same thing with a standardbred (well er drive). I currently ride at two H/J farms and ride a variety of breeds, in addition to the farm where I keep my horse. But my favorite discipline is saddleseat. I'm in the finalization process of a new morgan filly (yay me!) who I want to take saddleseat hopefully English Pleasure.. but she's a long way from the show ring since I'm training her.

    My point is a horse that does its job well is a beautiful thing, no matter what breed it is or what its job is. Everyone will have their likes and dislikes, but its not fair for you to be judgemental (at least publically, your private opinion is yours and no one can take that from you), especially if you've never tried saddleseat. I would never say anything negative about a discipline or breed I have never tried first. I certainly wouldn't start a thread intended to bash a singular breed, horse, person, or discipline.


    Now to addess your concerns, 99% of people in the industry (especially Morgans, I can't say for other breeds since I've never been to other breed shows) are not abusive. Just like (I hope) the people who stick tacks in rails of jumps and bump the horse's knees as they go over are in a one percent of their own. Or just like the people who leave the horse's standing knee deep in mud with no food or water, on the brink of death, are in a 1% for the industry on a whole.

    Things you might of seen or heard or assumed.

    "The horses are forced to pick their feet up in a way that is unnatural." Not true, it is something bred into them. True it has evolutionized to the extremes you see today, but not without careful selection. I've put action chains (like bracelets, encourage the horse to use legs in a more upward motion) on my gelding (who has some of the breeding, but became a WP WC instead) and he does nothing. He's also not the type to snort or flag his tail, and he's not "hot" or excitable.

    "They tie the feet together and make them move." Technically, yes. However there are reasons and its not nearly as harsh as it sounds. The tubing is breakable, so a horse using it ineffectively or it will break, it also doesn't inhibit the movement of a horse who's inclination is not "flashy." (like my horse) It's the same material as the resistance training tubing in gyms.. You can buy it at modell's for yourself (w/ two handles at each end). Just like you wouldn't jump a horse in the grand prix without thorough preparation, you wouldn't take an unexercised horse in the show ring. If you did, injury/founder/overheating could result. The stretchies build muscle, it's like resistance training. The horses won't use them if they don't know how (like my gelding, he won't).. "knowing" how is genetic, there's no other explanation.

    "They grow the hoof to an unnatural length and add weighted shoes." Really the length of the hoof provides support during show season. The weight of the shoe and pad give the horse something to "pull" against (similar to the chains or stretchy tubing provides). Most times the shoes are taken down in the off season. Also the divisions place restriction on toe length and weight. For example Classic Pleasure (the least of the three for Morgans) has requirements that the association sets for all other disciplines (hunter pleasure, western pleasure.. and I think the sport disciplines too.).. Which is basically nothing..

    "They never turn their horses out." I'm sure many farms don't. But during the show season, the horse's can't be pulling shoes constantly so they are turned out minimally or handgrazed. If they don't have shoes on there is generally no reason for them NOT to be turned out. Again it varies by farm, and some horses never see the light of day, except for the walk to the arena or round pen, which is sad.. but I definitely don't think its the norm. Babies, broodmares, and lesson horses are almost always turned out appropriately.

    "The horses are scared to death, that's why they do it." Horse can be silly, but if the horse was truly scared to death it would do the normal scaredy cat horse stuff. It would bolt, rear, sidestep, bulge its eyes, etc. The common tactics used by trainers are to excite a horse.. get them in that mood to do their thing. Baby Powder might be a little scary for a first time horse, but it smells funky and puts a lot of horses in that mood. Plastic bags make noise, noise gets the horses excited. (hence why all the trainers line up on the side of the ring and whoop and holler at classes.) People have other weird customs but those are the two I generally use. Some people bang the fence board to make some noise. A truly scared horse would rear/run away.. not pick his feet up even higher?..

    "The horses are miserable.. pin their ears, bite, crib, develop other bad habits." None of the horses I'm around do any of these things, they generally trot happily with their ears perked- as if they wouldn't be anywhere else in the world but in the moment. They know they're fancy and they know people love the way they move. Horses who have pinned ears at Morgan shows wouldn't win.

    "They ruin the horse's tail in order to have that "flagging" tail look." That's mostly done with saddlebreds, I'm not sure if it is still done or not.. But I would never do that to a horse. In Morgans its illegal to do anything of the sort, including adding tail extensions. So yes it does happen, but many people do not condone it or partake in it.

    I'm sure there are plenty other rumors, so feel free to ask for clarification on any of them and I'll tell you my honest opinion.

    As someone who has ridden many seat types, nothing beats the exhileration of riding a horse who truly loves to show off. There's no explanation, but I would reccomend the sport for anyone, plenty of wonderful horses who are excitable but not moronic (some morons too, believe me) and its fun! The only downer is it CAN be expensive, but you can find great deals on tack and clothes on ebay..
         
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        12-16-2007, 09:33 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    Quote:
    "The horses are forced to pick their feet up in a way that is unnatural." Not true, it is something bred into them. True it has evolutionized to the extremes you see today, but not without careful selection. I've put action chains (like bracelets, encourage the horse to use legs in a more upward motion) on my gelding (who has some of the breeding, but became a WP WC instead) and he does nothing. He's also not the type to snort or flag his tail, and he's not "hot" or excitable.
    No they put the chains on there to make it painful in the sored area. Are you aware of soring? They do it to just about every walking horse. And this is a forum you are allowed to post your oppinion and I think your post was somewhat rude. Other people responded to there oppinions too but they weren't rude about it. Please think before you post!
         
        12-16-2007, 09:48 PM
      #23
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Baby Powder might be a little scary for a first time horse, but it smells funky and puts a lot of horses in that mood. Plastic bags make noise, noise gets the horses excited. (hence why all the trainers line up on the side of the ring and whoop and holler at classes.) People have other weird customs but those are the two I generally use. Some people bang the fence board to make some noise. A truly scared horse would rear/run away.. not pick his feet up even higher?..
    That is no way for a horse to live. I'm sorry but If that were me I would hate to live a life frightened all the time. It's not exitement it's fright.

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    "They ruin the horse's tail in order to have that "flagging" tail look." That's mostly done with saddlebreds, I'm not sure if it is still done or not.. But I would never do that to a horse. In Morgans its illegal to do anything of the sort, including adding tail extensions. So yes it does happen, but many people do not condone it or partake in it.
    And yes lots of people do it. That is why I say it's cruel. It has no purpose and there in it for the money.

    Those who acually like to ride saddleseat and do not do these things, I'm glad for you but drop_your_reins, what you just posted is not horse riding it's torture.
         
        12-16-2007, 10:45 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    Last time I checked TWHs did not make up the whole saddleseat industry. Most of the people I know and am around do not sore their horses, yes I know what it is and I would never do it to a horse. I wouldn't even know where to get the chemicals from. It's a shame that it is still done today, and I feel the only reason it is still around is because its traditional. I don't believe in it or condone it, but a few individuals do not make up the whole industry. The chains that are commonly used would be no more in weight than if you wore a charm bracelet (or probably less, since it is proportional) and like I said horses can choose to use the device or not. My gelding doesn't use it (partially for lack of ability, partially for "what the hell is that on my leg?") and it does not hurt a horse.

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    That is no way for a horse to live. I'm sorry but If that were me I would hate to live a life frightened all the time. It's not exitement it's fright.
    Then please tell me why the horses do not exhibit any of the common traits of fright. I have seen saddle horses who know how act goofy in unfamiliar settings.. Tell me why the filly I just purchased will willingly (without any encouragement, chasing, bags, baby powder, ANYTHING) run in an arena or pasture, flag her tail, trot level (well her hocks are something else), neck upright.. etc. She has no formal training, other than being handled, groomed, and had her hooves trimmed. She reacts the same way a show horse might if you encourage them with a plastic bag or baby powder or whatever else. She has never been exposed to those types of things.. Those things have been proven to bring the "attitude" out in horses who a bred with it, with some horses it works and with some it doesn't. I could shake a plastic bag at my gelding all day long, but he would just stand and look at me.


    And I'm sorry if you perceived anything I said as rude, you may have the "right" to bash another discipline. But we certainly have the right to defend it. If you want to talk about a money driven industry that is "torturing" horses, LMK. Because I can bring up quite a few.
         
        12-16-2007, 11:03 PM
      #25
    Weanling
    Quote:
    And this is a forum you are allowed to post your oppinion and I think your post was somewhat rude. Other people responded to there oppinions too but they weren't rude about it. Please think before you post!
    I really am sorry if you thought I was rude, but I did take offense to your thread as would anyone who says "[insert discipline] is dumb and weird and torture." don't you think? And given the length of my post I did think quite awhile about each thing I said. I also gave you a little background on my riding to show you that I was not being prejudiced. I actually started riding at a H/J barn that disliked saddleseat. My trainer never actually encouraged me to ride saddleseat, but she has pictures of her horses that she's ridden saddleseat and I asked her what it was (I didn't know about it) and she explained it to me.. So I asked her if I could have a lesson in it. That was a long long time ago. Anyway I would never impress my discipline upon you, but I also want to clear up any negative impressions because the sport is NOT anymore negative than any other discipline. I think if you reread my reply you might find its not really rude, although I was clearly on the defense (as anyone would be). So again, sorry if you felt attacked, but you must understand you were clearly attacking something I love.

    If you pointed out any solid reasons why you don't like the sport, I could try to clear up any negative impressions that might have formed while you were stabling with that girl. Both of my horses were relatively cheap in terms of what they Should have been priced at for their quality and the market. I'm not one of those people who thinks something isn't good unless it cost you $60,000.
         
        12-16-2007, 11:18 PM
      #26
    Yearling
    Around here saddleseat ppl are mean, cruel, and hard headed. Thank you if your not but I just flat out don't like the discipilne JMO.
         
        12-16-2007, 11:37 PM
      #27
    Weanling
    Well I'm sorry you've had that experience!
         
        12-17-2007, 02:32 PM
      #28
    Weanling
    I normally ride western, but saddleseat has always intrigued me. I rode in that style once or twice and it was a blast! I've even thought of taking a few saddleseat lessons to be able to really experience it the way it should be done.

    I think everyone should keep an open mind about different riding disciplines. You can't really call yourself a horseperson if you don't learn about everything horses have to offer! :)
         
        12-17-2007, 03:53 PM
      #29
    Yearling
    Everyone is allowed to like or dislike something. Everyone does, it's called being human. Every horse person has that breed, style, or trainer they don't like.
         
        12-17-2007, 04:03 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    I know very little about saddleseat, but I know that it seems difficult for anyone to know whether or not they like a discipline unless they have given it a try or at least watched it at its best extensively themselves :)

    Also, as posted by others, I believe that there will be cruelty in EVERY SINGLE discipline - it just depends on the humans involved.

    I agree with drop your reins that posting about how a discipline is stupid/cruel is bound to hurt someone's feelings.
         

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