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  • Saddlebred off at trot, one knee goes higher than other
  • My horse picks one knee up higher than the other

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    07-04-2008, 07:30 PM
  #71
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Are we talking about the issue of SORING or the dicipline of SADDLESEAT. They are two separate issues completely. Of all the breeds that actively participlate in the dicipline(Saddlebreds, Morgans, Arabs, KMHs, TWHs, Fresians, Andalusians, to name a few) ONE breed is known to sore, and that is the TWH. They are the ONLY breed who "Stack" thier horses, they are the only breed who "sore" thier horses, and they are the only breed(with maybe the exception of the KMH and other strictly gaited breeds) who do not trot.

The thing is, you cannot sore a Trotting horse.

Since I only know Saddlebreds, and only show Saddleseat(I'll add another dicipline soon), I will tell you how you can tell if a Saddlebred is sore(not sorED). And you CAN very easily, tell.

If a saddlebred is sore, he will travel "off". He will pick up his legs unevenly, meaning one knee will raise higher than the other.

If a saddlebred is sore, his head will bob noticeably when he steps on his sore foot.

If a saddlebred is sore he will not "use his legs", meaning he will not pick his feet up as high as he normally does.

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A horse with great pain in his feet will have a tendency to lay down a lot and be reluctant or have trouble getting up. Do not mistake this for a sleeping horse. A lot of my horses, especially the younger ones, will sleep laying down noticeably more. Shows are stressful, and take a lot out of one.


As to them not picking thier feet up high naturally, meet my yearling Zoltan. He travels like this every day with no encouraging. Notice, no shoes, no chains, no stretchies....This colt has never seen a pair of chains yet, though he will when he is put in training to help develop his timing.


And here is Daniel, on his first outing after surviving Joint Ill in his stifle. If ANY horse would have a reason to be sore, this boy would have. He recovered fully, to our surprise and that of our vet. And he is turning out to be a FINE colt.


Daniel's mother.



Being high stepping and high headed is what we BREED for. And if we are smart, we do a pretty good job at it.

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And horse_luver, you are actually quite wrong about people adding a bunch of weight and then taking it off suddenly to make them pick thier feet higher, because it wouldn't work.

Horses pull against pressure, so "in theory" adding weight will make them lift their legs higher, and taking it off will do just the opposite, especially after the addition of weight.

The idea with saddlebreds is to achieve that high step without much weight. With careful breeding and good training, this can and is accomplished.

CH My-My, one of the greatest Saddlebreds in history, and trained by one of the greatest Saddlebred trainers in history, wore 12 oz shoes. One year at the Championships, she threw a shoe in the warm up ring, and instead of risking her performance to the show farrier, he had him pull the other shoe. She won that year barefoot. Her trainer was no stranger to strange shoeing either.
     
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    07-04-2008, 07:55 PM
  #72
Showing
Aww they are soo cute.
     
    07-04-2008, 08:34 PM
  #73
Yearling
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And horse_luver, you are actually quite wrong about people adding a bunch of weight and then taking it off suddenly to make them pick thier feet higher, because it wouldn't work.
Sorry LadyDreamer, but my friend that lives down the road from me trains her gaited horses that way and it is very successful. I've ridden a couple of her horses and they are amazing. But I just hate it that a majority of the trainers still sore them it's like can't you just play fair? I just don't think it's fair that a good trainer trains his saddleseat horse humanely and tries there best in a show and then some trainer wannabe brings his poor sored horses in and they win becuase they 'look better'. And the judges never know. What a shame. :(
     
    07-04-2008, 09:27 PM
  #74
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You are condemning a Dicipline because of a Breed. Again, are we talking SORING or are we talking SADDLESEAT?

Like I said, there are MANY breeds that actively participate in Saddleseat, not all of them gaited, not all of them TWHs or Saddlebreds.

I don't think you have her correct on the shoeing. The science is all wrong(and shoeing is a science and an art). Horses do not respond to the addition or removal of weight as we would. My brother in law is a farrier for one of the top barns in KY. He has taught me much, as has my father who has shod our horses for the last thirty years. They demonstrated for me on a little gelding not too long ago, for me, who was about to be put in the Western Pleasure division because he could not lift his legs.

Maybe TWHs are different than Saddlebreds, but he'd have been lucky not to trip over a fence pole with how he traveled after he was reset.

With Saddlebreds, you CAN'T sore them. They are the Epitome of Saddleseat Show horse. How we play dirty is by money, not by killing our horses. The politics are there, and the community will let a judge know when he did wrong. Where judges in our world go wrong is when they tie a name over a horse in a class.
     
    07-04-2008, 11:32 PM
  #75
Yearling
It kinda evoved into soreing.
My friend has TWH, Saddlebreds, Morgans, and NSH? I don't know much about NSH but yeah she has all them. I can't remember if she sold all her Morgans or not...but anyway there I go again!
Yeah that training technique with the weights works for her. I don't have a problem with it. But anyway just wanted to share a storey. I have another friend I talk to and she trains horses she has 4. And her first horse was TWH mare. When she met her she was just showing her in saddleseat and she didn't talk much to the trainers and she didn't know anything about soreing. She would work with her a little but she never really saw what was going on 'behind closed doors' you know? Untill one day she was heading to a show and she saw them unload off the trailer and she just fell down! They couldn't get her up for 10min! It was then she found out that she had been sored. Becuase of the blisters and white hair around her coronet band. Her mom bought her for her and now she's sound. But she said that her cruel trainers before had taught her to not show any pain when the DQP's press on her coronet band by burning her tounge with a ciggarette everytime she flinched! She told me you could drive a nail through her coronet band and she wouldn't move. It's so awful what people do for money.
Sorry guys, I'm bored and rambling! :P
     
    07-05-2008, 12:38 AM
  #76
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That's okay. Not worried here.

My mom said that "back in the day" when it was common for Saddlebred shows and TWH shows to be held together that a lot of the TWHs had to be beaten to get them up because they couldn't stand for very long.

Then again, back then, they cantered in almost every TWH class. Now not so much, so I have heard.
     
    07-05-2008, 01:12 PM
  #77
Green Broke
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Kickshaw you cannot tell if a horse has been sored if you don't watch it walk or get off the trailer.
I never said you could.

What I DID say is that soring only occurs in breeds that do NOT trot (aka walking and racking horses) - - not the saddlebred or any other saddleseat breed ;)

Think about it...wouldn't you be able to tell if your horse was sore (from anything) at the trot?? Wouldn't you see his head bob? Short stridedness? Same principle here.
     
    07-05-2008, 11:37 PM
  #78
Foal
If everyone wants to fight over the issue of soring, CREATE ANOTHER TOPIC. This was suppose to be about the apperant stupidity of the saddleseat discipline. Feel free to argue about it all you want, because those of you that are for it, Ill back you up until the day they hit my in the face with that first spade of dirt...just keep it on topic.
     
    07-05-2008, 11:55 PM
  #79
Yearling
I don't know why you guys get so fired up about this stuff. It's a forum. Have some fun. :roll:

You know I seen someone acually riding there belgian draft saddleseat! That was the weirdest thing I have ever seen! Lol
     
    07-06-2008, 12:28 AM
  #80
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I would say that Belgians are the...."soft spot draft" for a lot of Saddleseat folks. You see those a lot at saddlebred shows if they offer an open class. They are good horses. Those and the Fresian Fad.

Belgians are so big and "cuddly" and common. I am IN LOVE with the Horse "Titan" who is available for adoption at Saddlebred Rescue. He is SO cool! I want I want.

And yes, we get fired up. We get very sick and tired about having to defend the dicipline. I try not to as much, because getting mad and fussing doesn't get you any where, but I do try to explain as best I can.

I would say the OTHER Anti-Saddleseat thread further down the list is much more...CALM than this one.
     

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