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        12-25-2009, 08:59 AM
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    Green Broke
    For the QH/Paint Line Experts

    I am always interested in reading the threads about QH/Paint lines and predicting traits in offspring based on their blood lines. Rather than hijack another thread, I was curious if the experts out there would weigh in on a 'reverse' question. Our Paint mares seem to have some good 'old blood' and I was wondering if any of the traits that we see in our mares may 'point back' to horses in their lines and how much influence that has compared to their training and experience.

    Our lead mare (15 yr), Angel, Showdown Suzy Q Paint She had been a cattle work horse. Although long backed, she did very well as a penner. Extremely laid back and willing. When working, she is all business and is our bombproof, go anywhere mare that will do anything you ask. Her disposition/cow sense appears to 'be genetic' since her filly is exactly like her.


    Lady (7 yr), Intimadated Skip Paint Has Impressive in her line and is indeed built like a tank, but very quick and surefooted off trail. Very curious and playful; she is always the 'trouble maker', getting into everything, opening gates, stall doors, etc. (I found her on our deck last night...sigh). She will test you (especially unfamiliar riders) and likes to 'act tough', but will always 'give in' right away once she sees you won't let her get away with anything. Very food motivated. She is a 'fast walker' and, if leading, will wind up 'walking away' from the trail pack and stop to let them catch up. Her original owner (breeder) had started her as a lesson horse, she loves riding kids, and never 'tests' them.


    Cinnamon (5 yr) Tommy Spekled Supreme Paint Still filling out. All the horses around here that were off 'Supreme Model' seem to take longer to mature. Short backed, very quick, and moves like cutters that I have watched. She was basically started on the trail with very little arena work, and loves riding the trails, but is already very road safe, too. Very social, a 'lover' that will follow you anywhere if you have a brush, and still our 'baby'.


    Just looking for interesting discussion and/or experiences.
    Thanks.
         
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        12-27-2009, 11:15 AM
      #2
    Foal
    From a true genetic standpoint here is the percentage of influence(however I have found to be somewhat misleading) Each set of parents can only contribute 50% of their genetic makeup. This is haploid division. Each horse has 64chrom. And each parent gives 32. That way the offspring has a total of 64. Otherwise todays horses have have trillions and trillions of chrom.. So as you get further back in the pedigree the % of influence decreases. Read on past the % stuff because the rest is more fun and makes more sence

    Sire-50%
    Dam-50%

    Grandsire and grandam-25%
    Great grandsire...-12.5%
    Great great-6.25% influence. So once you get that far back their influence really isnt much so the chances of you truly getting those traits are slim

    HOWEVER!!!! When you breed a mare to Impressive you are probably breeding for those same"big tank" traits so you most likey wont breed your arab mare. You will most likely select your big tank mare...sence the "tank" tank look is what you are looking for. Then that offspring will most likely be a tank...when you go to breed him you might like the tank look and breed for it again. So the "tank" trait is carried, not so much from impressive, but from a selective breeding process.
         
        12-27-2009, 11:49 AM
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    No hijack meant, but are you anywhere off St. Mary's road. I see you are in Hillsborough and I drive that road on the way to the farm I train at. Some really nice paints at a farm on that road.

    Just wondering.
         
        12-27-2009, 05:04 PM
      #4
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    No hijack meant, but are you anywhere off St. Mary's road. I see you are in Hillsborough and I drive that road on the way to the farm I train at. Some really nice paints at a farm on that road.

    Just wondering.
    We are, but there are a number of Paints....sent you a PM.
         
        12-27-2009, 05:26 PM
      #5
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SouthCreekPaints    
    From a true genetic standpoint here is the percentage of influence(however I have found to be somewhat misleading) Each set of parents can only contribute 50% of their genetic makeup. This is haploid division. Each horse has 64chrom. And each parent gives 32. That way the offspring has a total of 64. Otherwise todays horses have have trillions and trillions of chrom.. So as you get further back in the pedigree the % of influence decreases. Read on past the % stuff because the rest is more fun and makes more sence

    Sire-50%
    Dam-50%

    Grandsire and grandam-25%
    Great grandsire...-12.5%
    Great great-6.25% influence. So once you get that far back their influence really isnt much so the chances of you truly getting those traits are slim

    HOWEVER!!!! When you breed a mare to Impressive you are probably breeding for those same"big tank" traits so you most likey wont breed your arab mare. You will most likely select your big tank mare...sence the "tank" tank look is what you are looking for. Then that offspring will most likely be a tank...when you go to breed him you might like the tank look and breed for it again. So the "tank" trait is carried, not so much from impressive, but from a selective breeding process.
    Looking at her predigree, the 'tank' built was certainly carried down (probably by design) through her dam's side. Her dam (Ultimate Fleet) has the same build, it appears that 'Intimidator' was also a very stocky halter horse, and of course, 'Impressive' after that.
         

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