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post #11 of 21 Old 02-12-2008, 07:45 PM
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are we talking about all horses here or only qhs?

if we are talking qh's i cant really judge because ive never had a whole lot to do with the breed. but i have done with other breeds. ive always had largish horses but the biggest one is my wb who is now 17.3hh. hes tall and chunky but he certainly knows where everything is and what we is doing. he does have his moments where he is more pushy and seems less intelligent but i think all horses have those moments its just worse when a huge horse does it :)

IME i would have to say that i dont believe them to be this way but once again i dont know if we are only talking qh's here or not :)

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post #12 of 21 Old 02-12-2008, 07:52 PM
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Yes, that makes more sense, thanks. I would have to say I've seen and heard that description in a lot of big horses, not just qh's. It doesn't bother me personally, I don't have a preference either way (just a different aspect of horses), but I can see where you're coming from.

ed. lol...I forgot to even throw in my 2 cents about the groundpoles:P Yes, I do think that they would help, as you mentioned at the end of your post. If you are talking about looking for getting a shorter stride out of a horse with a long, swinging gait though...I'm not so sure about that. But getting them to pick up their feet and become more agile, yes.
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post #13 of 21 Old 02-12-2008, 08:50 PM
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Sorry this is going to be a bit long, but I wanted to add my experience and what else I have seen. My last horse was a 16.2H QH that up through his 4yo year was only shown in Hunter Under Saddle. He was very competitive, placing in the points at the big shows in Junior and Youth HUS - like at Redbud and Texas Classic. However, he seemed to forget where his legs were and would become unbalanced very easily. He was never pushy, just a big giant clutz.

Do to multiple reasons, I decided to switch him over to All-around, while changing trainers at the same time as my previous one, who dealt with the big HUS and driving horses all the time did not feel that he would ever be able to do the tight maneuvering that the classes like Eq, Horsemanship, trail, and Western riding occur. At that time it seemed to take 1/2 a football field to get this guy turned without disrupting his balance. Once I changed trainers, we really worked on his maneuverability, which was comical at times. For example, when working on turn-arounds on the haunches coming out into a lope, multiple times he would stop with his front legs still crossed and try to take off, resulting in a spectacular nose dive. Same type of thing with tight circles. However, we kept working with him and lo and behold, he became as maneuverable as the little 15H western horses and could turn inside out and keep perfect balance and spin like a reiner. These guys can learn how to control their body, it just takes more work and time to get it done.

Now to my little thing/issue on how big these QH HUS horses are becoming. Same 16.2H gelding - I had trouble showing him, even when he had control over his body, in small arenas. Not because of how he could move inside of it, but because in a small arena, when extending out fully, he would go flying by the 15.2H english horses shown there and the judges seemed to think he was too forward. Slow him down and it was obvious that he wasn't extending out to his full ability - he would just look off. (I also saw this with a friend who was in a similar position with her horse, sometimes at the same shows) Put him in a large arena those last 2 years I showed him, put the big 17H HUS horses in there that would be shown, and he was dwarfed and made to look like a little western horse out there with the English ones. This was 4years after he was one of the tallest 3yo futurity horses and junior HUS horses at the big shows. The horses seemed to grow quite a bit in such a short time period. I can't imagine trying to get them shown in a small arena - it just wouldn't happen, and personally I feel like your performance and where you chose to show should not be influenced that greatly by how big the arena is.

I hope this made some sort of sense. I love the big horses and if I have my choice, I will take a horse that is 16-16.2H anyday. I just like that style of movement.
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post #14 of 21 Old 02-12-2008, 09:00 PM
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I think that it just takes a bigger horse longer to find out where all 4 feet are - when they're young and clumsy it certainly looks like they're too big for their minds, but in my experience, they grow into themselves, and figure everything out.
Like I said, I had a 15.3hh TB mare and a 17.1hh WB gelding, and they were both athletic in their own respects; the gelding took longer to mature and figure out where his body was all the time, but once he figured it out, he certainly didn't forget where his legs were.
I definitely see a trend to prefer either ponies or taller horses, especially in the WB/english world, where it seems that "bigger is better." Good luck to anyone selling a 15.2hh WB :(
I would love to buy any height of horse as long as it knew its job, however the sellability of those 15-16hh horses is low, so I take a step back from those horses... which is sad, because I missed a great opportunity to own a gorgeous 15.2hh WB mare....

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post #15 of 21 Old 02-12-2008, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
I think that it just takes a bigger horse longer to find out where all 4 feet are - when they're young and clumsy it certainly looks like they're too big for their minds, but in my experience, they grow into themselves, and figure everything out.
Haha, yes! That was my friend's 5 y.o. hano exactly! We went to a dressage clinic a couple of year ago and whoo boy...the clinician said to just give him a couple of years. He looked totally grown up at the time, but he was still very clutzy. He's much better now:P
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Im mainly talking QH HUS. But ok
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post #17 of 21 Old 02-13-2008, 03:27 PM
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I am finally understanding what your getting at and why you brought it up that one night.

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post #18 of 21 Old 02-13-2008, 04:05 PM
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JDI and AKPaintlover I love the way you guys think!

AKPaintlover, I don't like taller horses. I love them around the 15hh mark. They are much more athletic I think!
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post #19 of 21 Old 02-14-2008, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AKPaintLover
Why is it that horses in the 15-16hh range are no longer popular? What do the 16hh+ horses offer that is better? Are they more athletic? Are they better jumpers? I have seen some pretty good jumpers in the 15-16hh range.
I don't know about other disciplines but in the hunters every fence is measured out a specific way so that there is an ideal number of steps inbetween the jumps, set on a 12 foot stride (for USEF rated shows). The judges are looking for a nice easy floaty stride down the line. Most (most!) of the smaller horses aren't as big strided and aren't able to make it down the lines very easily so people prefer the bigger strided (usually taller) horses. And in the jumpers often (often!) the taller horses can jump higher then the smaller horses, and the bigger strided horses can cut out strides that smaller horses can't so you can get a faster time. Yes yes I know Teddy O'Conner is amazing and that little speed demon pony who wins every jumper class is the fastest thing you've ever seen... but I'm speaking generally. I agree, 14.3-15.3 is a very hard size to sell.

To answer the original post... no idea. I focus on ponies. :)
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post #20 of 21 Old 07-30-2013, 05:17 AM
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anyone out there got a QH X with a TB

I love this combo,he is fast off his quarters and just runs like the wind I'm a lucky girl.Not to mention a lovely nature and a total gentleman.
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