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post #1 of 6 Old 11-08-2009, 08:03 PM Thread Starter
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Registering a horse with PtHA?

Okay... I'm trying to register my mare as a pinto. To be fully registered, they have to have four square inches of white with pink skin on their body (not legs or face). She doesn't have that, so I want to register her as breeding stock.

These are the breeding stock requirements:

"The equines that do not meet the color requirement, but have at least two or more Pinto characteristics (blue eyes; leg white above the knee or hock; white or multi-colored hooves; collective white in the eligible zones, but not enough to qualify for color; pink skin) are registered Breeding Stock."

My mare has two blue eyes and a little bit of white on one of her hooves.

Does this count as enough white on her hoof? http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2430/...bc0745f3_o.jpg

If not, do her blue eyes count as two characteristics since they're both blue? The reason I ask this is because on the registration form, you can check either 'left eye blue,' 'right eye blue,' or 'both eyes blue.' It seems like if a horse with one blue eye can be counted as having one pinto characteristic, then a horse with two blue eyes should be counted as having two pinto characteristics. Is that wrong?




Second question... Should I register her as a stock pinto or a saddle pinto? You have to check one on the registration form. For stock, it says "a western horse of predominantly Quarter Horse or Paint breeding and conformation." For saddle, it says "a gaited horse, possibly Saddlebred, Hackney or Tennessee Walker breeding and conformation." She's gaited, but I think she has QH/Paint conformation. I also ride and show her Western. She doesn't look anything like a Saddlebred, Hackney, or TWH. Which should I choose?




And my third question... Are breeding stock pintos treated differently than regular pintos at PtHA shows? Do they have to show in different classes or anything like that?
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Why not email photos to PtHA and ask? IMO she should qualify, but I am not an expert on how they interpret their rules.

Breeding stock do have seperate classes from regular registered Pintos at Pinto shows.

Is she "very" gaited, or does she trot? Would you show her Walk-Trot-Canter, or Walk-Gait-Canter?

To me, she DOES somewhat resemble a Walking horse or possibly MFT (they vary ALOT) in her hip, head, even her hocks.

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Why not email photos to PtHA and ask? IMO she should qualify, but I am not an expert on how they interpret their rules.

Breeding stock do have seperate classes from regular registered Pintos at Pinto shows.

Is she "very" gaited, or does she trot? Would you show her Walk-Trot-Canter, or Walk-Gait-Canter?

To me, she DOES somewhat resemble a Walking horse or possibly MFT (they vary ALOT) in her hip, head, even her hocks.
That's a good idea. I think I might email them some photos.

She's very gaited. She doesn't trot at all. But they don't have to be gaited to show in the saddle-type classes, do they? Because it says Hackneys and Saddlebreds should be registered as saddle-type, and Saddlebreds aren't always gaited and Hackneys are never gaited. So she'd be showing against trotting horses whether I put her in stock or saddle classes.

She's a MFT, by the way.
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>>>> She's very gaited. She doesn't trot at all. But they don't have to be gaited to show in the saddle-type classes, do they? Because it says Hackneys and Saddlebreds should be registered as saddle-type, and Saddlebreds aren't always gaited and Hackneys are never gaited. So she'd be showing against trotting horses whether I put her in stock or saddle classes.

True. Then in stock type classes, she would be showing against ALL trotting horses, all the time, I would bet. Its a tough call. Maybe another question to ask PtHA-- where would a stock- built but gaited horse "fit" best?

>>>> She's a MFT, by the way.

OH Hooray for me! I actually guessed right for a change.

Back 15 years ago I remember seeing a beautiful dapple grey, and to me, stock type mare, and being surprised to find out she was a registered MFT-- I never would have guessed. (and thus began my edumacation regarding the various body types found in MFTs )

Your mare is very lovely as well. I love her balanced frame and her excellent legs-- angles, bone, proportion, feet-- all look great and uber-sound to me.

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OH-- Is she related to Boot Scoot N Boogie? (sp?) (He's the only black with big white socks and pinto face white MFT I have seen in person know by name and know to ask about, LOL)

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OH Hooray for me! I actually guessed right for a change.

Back 15 years ago I remember seeing a beautiful dapple grey, and to me, stock type mare, and being surprised to find out she was a registered MFT-- I never would have guessed. (and thus began my edumacation regarding the various body types found in MFTs )
Haha, yeah... Most people think she's a Paint. It probably has a lot to do with her eyes, though.

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Your mare is very lovely as well. I love her balanced frame and her excellent legs-- angles, bone, proportion, feet-- all look great and uber-sound to me.
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OH-- Is she related to Boot Scoot N Boogie? (sp?) (He's the only black with big white socks and pinto face white MFT I have seen in person know by name and know to ask about, LOL)
I couldn't find his pedigree online, but I can tell you that he's not in her pedigree. I don't have a clue where she got her face from... Her sire is black with no white markings and her dam is chestnut with a stripe and no white on her legs. Neither one had blue eyes, and there are NO pintos in her pedigree (at least within five generations).
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