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        01-20-2012, 07:39 PM
    Abuse and misuse maybe it's just the symantics. Of course these owners care for their horses and yes, the animals are treated probably better than most treat their children. In a way, it reminds me of the show called "Toddler & Tiaras".
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        01-20-2012, 08:54 PM
    Ok, ok. But you know what I am saying right? It can be considered abuse or misuse putting horses in jacked up shoes, shortening up their strides so much they have humped up backs, etc...we are not using these animals as nature intended. By the way, I don't think it's wrong per se, the horse has a job. And if I have to hump my butt to work every dang day to feed this animal and sometimes when I am in pain, he can give it up for me too. Such is life. The abuse that concerns me is unfed animals, uncared for animals (overgrown hooves), neglected animals etc. Certain training, conditioning procedures are extreme at times but at least someone is enjoying the horse & taking care of it and giving it attention. Worse lots in life.
        01-20-2012, 09:39 PM
    No, I'm right there with you, though I'd really say that any kind of riding or confinement is now how nature intended horses to live. Where you draw the line is an individual decison. For me, it's any kind of thing that interferes with the life of a horse outside the time it's being ridden. Horses MUST have turnout, socialization, and freedom to move unrestricted. Altering their gate with special pads, shoes, and leave-on devices invariably leads to soundness issues. Performing surgery on a horse for aesthetics leaves it cooped up and in-pain, at least for a while, but the nerve-deadening of Western horse tails is even worse, as it eliminates a horse's ability to convey emotion and swat off insects. Those tail-set harnesses that TWH's wear are awful, though the people who use them will defend them as perfectly humane 'til their dying breath. Tying a horse's head up for hours is reprehensible. Etc.
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        01-20-2012, 09:50 PM
    But a lot of times it's the things you have to do in order to be the best of the best. Certainly not the only things, but if these are traits & results that judges reward, it's going to keep being practiced.
        01-20-2012, 10:15 PM
    Originally Posted by waresbear    
    But a lot of times it's the things you have to do in order to be the best of the best. Certainly not the only things, but if these are traits & results that judges reward, it's going to keep being practiced.
    nobody ever said you had to abuse your horse to be the best, I know people who have been to big shows and they would never abuse their horses.
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        01-20-2012, 10:26 PM
    I don't see the "abuse" factor for the best here....

    Jester has been to the APHA World Show with nothing but a bath and a flashy little halter. I've won a couple buckles myself on horses who are probably the happiest horses alive, I teach them their job and they are a horse the rest of the time. None of my previous reiners were ever abused, nor are any of my barrel horses now.
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        01-20-2012, 11:04 PM
    And do your barrel horses ever end up with lameness problems from the sport (or, rather, will they eventually get far more athritic than if they hadn't raced)? Almost certainly--it's practically a given. Do you ever have to "make a point" by occasionally snatching the reins, gobbing with spurs, or just plain wielding a whip? Do you think your horse enjoys these things?

    And, too, there's a very real difference between an objective speed event like barrels and a subjective judged event where an unnatural carriage and movement is favored.
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        01-20-2012, 11:15 PM
    Thank you Bubba for pointing out what we already know, but that's not my point. I don't really see the point of this argument right now, because we can say it all we want but we will all be hypocrites because we all do it despite the fact that we know the horse doesn't "enjoy it", as you said.
        01-20-2012, 11:23 PM
    Originally Posted by waresbear    
    Abused I suppose in the opinion of the abuser? Whatever, these animals are not being used to manufacturers specs, period! This is why it's rare to see aged champions unless they were retired early & put out to the breeding shed. They don't have long careers in said disciplines.

    I beg to differ. My best friend's 23 year old NSH took Top 5 in Regionals and Top 5 in Nationals at the AHA Nationals as a 20 year old in Country Pleasure (saddleseat). I've seen a lot of 15+ Arabs and Half-Arabs take Top 5, Top 10, and, yes, Reserve and Champion placings at regional and national events.

    I sure hope you let your horses roam on hundreds of acres of land untouched like nature intended. Otherwise you, too, are not using your horses "to manufacturers specs". Thus, making you a hypocrite.

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