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    04-24-2008, 11:08 AM
I just can't understand how people can honestly and in good consciousness think that their horses are happy when they are wearing tail sets, being shouted at and riled up in the ring, and never have a chance to just relax and be horses. I've been to gorgeous, immaculate, professional saddleseat barns who take excellent care of there horses, yet the look in their horses' eyes is sad and depressed, and its no wonder when they're never let out and are constantly wearing that stupid tail set harness. If the horses can't do the gaits with only a bridle and saddle facilitating communication between them and the rider, maybe they shouldn't be forced into it with shoes and tail sets, because that's exactly what those things do, they force the horses to hold their tails up and to lift their legs higher. Sure theres an element of this in all forms of horseback riding, but saddleseat has made a sport out of artificial techniques.

Have you ever considered that the reason this topic keeps coming up is because there is something wrong? I certainly won't let it lie, not while horses are living lives like some saddleseat horses currently are.
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    04-24-2008, 11:27 AM
When I first looked at this topic, I thought it was going to be a huge mess. But, I was wrong!
My opinion is that there a ton of crap in EVERY discipline - jumping, dressage, western, halter, saddleseat, trail, etc. when it comes down to showing (most of the time).
Anyway, I hate the treatment of these animals. I don't think saddleseat has to stop but there should make a law that only "people with a brain can own horses!" (Meaning that people wouldn't neglect, abuse, etc. them). Obviously, the "saddleseaters" on here have a brain, and realize that there is crap in that discipline however treat their horses nicely and with respect. The only thing that really drives me up the wall with saddleseat is the chains and shoes.
But, this is coming from a person who doesn't have experience with Saddleseat, so please excuse/correct me if I'm wrong.
    04-24-2008, 01:41 PM
Yes, there is something wrong with saddleseat. A LOT wrong. Perhaps more than other disciplines (or just more public), who knows? HOWEVER, it's not ALL saddleseat. You can ride saddleseat without being abusive - they're not one and the same.

Obviously the 'saddleseaters' here do not condone the cruelty either, yet they still love the sport. I feel there might be a blurry area when it comes to tail setting: I certainly do NOT agree with the practice any more than I agree with cropping/docking dogs ears and tails, nevermind how many times people explaint he procedure to me. But there a bigger fish to fry here - ridiculous shoeing, chains, soring etc - and worse things going on that tendon-nicking in many other disciplines.
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    04-24-2008, 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by thepie24
Tail nicking seems the most extreme, I mean surgery when they're born? Give them a chance at a normal life at least. And the tail sets are down right miserable for those horses.
How does where a horse's tail is set matter if they live a normal life or not? As Tim said, if you dig deep enough in any discipline you can find anything that you could consider "abusive" like how people tie their horse's head up in pleasure to make their heads go down, or hobble them to move slow, its all a matter of the person, you can't stereotype when it comes to horse's disciplines, it will just cause arguments when you generally categorize disciplines, it gets offensive.
    04-24-2008, 06:13 PM
Did you know that people in Western Pleasure actually inject into the horses tail so it is limp? The horse can't even swat flys. Its called tail blocking. There is the worst of both words, tail nicking and tail blocking.
    04-24-2008, 06:17 PM

How can cutting the nerves out of a horse's tail and then having them wear a full body harness 24/7 not affect the quality of their lives? Like I said before, if you take the tail out of the tail set, it becomes crooked and doesn't work like an unnicked tail.
And as for all disciplines having their problems, like I said before, saddleseat takes extreme measures with their horses on a daily basis, and their entire discipline is defined by artificial movements and appearances, such as the tail sets and shoes. I'm not "generally categorizing" them because that is their sport.
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    04-24-2008, 06:19 PM

I've never heard of tailblocking; that is sick too. But at least it doesn't involve a uncomfortable harness and disfiguring horses.
    04-24-2008, 06:19 PM
I don't see how having a tail being nicked is going to ruin a horses life. I mean seriously it's not like they sit there and moan and groan about a tail. You need to stop categorizing every saddleseat rider as an abusive owner and realize that there are humane and safe ways to do everything.
    04-24-2008, 06:46 PM
I don't think it is human to make a horse stand in a stall, wear very tall shoes, and deal with a harness similar to a carriage harness EVERY day of their life, day and night. I wish they could moan and groan about it, maybe then they'd tell you what its like.
Again, i'm not saying all of saddleseat is bad and evil, but that they use extreme and artificial methods.
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    04-24-2008, 10:51 PM
Not to call you naive, but honestly, what do you hope to accomplish?

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