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post #21 of 52 Old 06-17-2010, 02:18 PM Thread Starter
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I well rephrase what I said I don't hate those sports I just don't agree with a lot of them. But I try to understand them or well try better to understand. I have seen a saddle seat rider who used chains on her horse and because that was a new thing to everyone at the barn I work at she was judged by everyone because of her methods. But everyone soon realized that she used them with bell boots and in a gentle matter ( if you know what I mean) and that kind of ended everyones bad thoughts. I took time to get to know her and she was a sweet girl. I have also met some people in different disciplines that were great to there horses and that make me feel better about that horse sport.
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Okay, so you're basing your opinions on nothing more than sensationalized reports, and not first hand experiences. Which means it's a knee-jerk, emotional reaction and not an informed opinion.

Everyone has opinions and many of them are based on exactly how you've based yours, but I recommend doing some research and maybe getting some hands on experience before you tar the whole racing industry with the same brush.

I personally don't like that they race 2 y/os. I think they're far too young and fragile, which is why we see so many break downs. But, my opinion isn't based on knowing the racing industry first hand, only on my years of experience in dealing with and being around foals and young horses.

Being that racing is a well known and well publicized sport, is why we know more about the injuries and euthanasias than in any other discipline.

Most of the other disciplines aren't interesting to people who don't own horses, whereas racing has many followers, most of them who don't know the first thing about horses and don't really care. Racing is about money to most of these people, and horses are merely the vehicle which drives the industry.

There are plenty of owners, trainers, riders and track workers who care deeply about their charges, but these aren't the folks who make headlines. It's not exciting if there's no sensationalism. In the news industry the phrase, "if it bleeds it leads" is very much the norm.

Racing isn't the only discipline that breaks horses young, but it's the one with which most people are familiar.

My JJ came from a trainer who cared about him enough to want to make sure he went to a loving, forever home. She could have sold him to any number of people, but he was given to me because she wanted to make sure he got a good chance at life.

I think people like that are the norm in the industry, not the exception. Sure, there are bad folks everywhere, but you can't win races or competitions if the horse's well being isn't the most important thing on your agenda.
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I have worked around race horses. Particularly with pacers, but also my fair share of trotters and TBs. I can tell you, there are things I disagree with in the sport. This sport is money driven, and for every winner, you get 100 horses who can't or don't want to run. It's not a good situation for the horses. I agree with not starting them at 2 year olds. I agree the horses are not built for stability

However, I can tell you that most of the professionals in the industry love their horses. Like with every sport, there are thins that need to be changed. Things that are not ideal. I would suggest that you try and get your information based off of being there yourself behind the scenes and seeing how the horses get treated. Either your opinion will be strengthened, or it will be changed.

These horses love to run. They are built to run just like a WP horse is born to carry himself like that or a jumper is born to jump.

Racing as a whole, is no worse than Dressage, WP, Barrel Racing, etc. It's just in the public eye more than any of the above.
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Thanks. As I stated in the previous post. I well try to understand it better. But I don't live anywhere near race tracks, or huge shows so the only way I see and hear about them is news, youtube,google articles or other people..If I could get myself out there I would but I don't live in a community like that and as speed racer stated "racing is a well known and well publicized sport, maybe that is why it gets maybe more of the critisism then other sports. IDK...
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There are abusers in every sport... But there are also rules and ways of doing things that make a sport abusive by nature. To win, the trainers who "love" their racehorses have to use them just as hard as the ones who don't. I like eventing which is probably just as dangerous to the horse as racing, but the difference is that the regulations and training methods in eventing keep the horses' best interests at heart. In racing the priority isn't the horses, it's the gambling and the money it makes.

Lumping all sports together and saying "there are bad people in every one" is taking the easy way out. It's also comparing apples to oranges. A horse competing in reining or CTR just isn't subjected to the strain that a racehorse is, no matter how kind their rider/trainer.

When I was 10 I wanted to be a jockey. I'm very glad I changed my mind now. I love fast horses - and that's exactly why I don't follow or participate in racing. I agree that there is probably nothing we can do to change such a large industry, but there's probably nothing we can do to prevent stealing either. That doesn't make theft OK.
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The only reason we see more breakdowns and deaths in racing is because it is far, far more publicized than anything else. There are deaths/breakdowns in every sport, every year. I have seen some nasty wrecks in barrel racing, eventing, roping, etc. That doesn't make me hate the horse racing industry, or any of it. I love horse racing. Hate that they start them so early, but it is still very thrilling to watch. I love barrel racing, it is my passion and what I will continue to do the rest of my life. Just because horses and riders get hurt or killed doesn't make it abuse. Look at football, or hockey. Football players get hurt all the time, does that mean we should stop football? The vast majority of race horses that continue to race love their jobs. It's what they're bred for. Just like cow horses are very cowy and love to get down and dirty on a cow.
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post #27 of 52 Old 06-19-2010, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kassierae View Post
The only reason we see more breakdowns and deaths in racing is because it is far, far more publicized than anything else.
To the average person, yes, but most of us follow other horse sports. If anything I've heard about more crashes in eventing the last few years than racing. But eventers have been trying to improve things.

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Look at football, or hockey.
Ummm... Football and hockey players are HUMAN. They have the ability to understand the risks and express their opinions about them in way we can understand. That isn't a fair comparison at all.
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It is rough eh. Think of those warmbloods that are forced into frames to "engage" themselves and look and perform "better". Thing of those horses that are pushed well passed their training and mental maturity into jumping heights that exceed what they should be doing.

You can go to any horse show(regardless of discipline), and always find horses that are being pushed passed and beyond their training. It's an unfortunate reality.

All equine sports are about having the biggest and most powerful machine-nothing else.

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post #29 of 52 Old 06-19-2010, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by My2Geldings View Post

All equine sports are about having the biggest and most powerful machine-nothing else.
Few people look at it that way though. Most performance horses i have ever met are treated better then I am, by far. It only happens in racing more because most of those owners dont train theyre own horses, some rarely see their horses. But they DO NOT mean to hurt them, in racing, those horses bring in money, WHY would someone not care about theyre money making object get ruined? Yes, they do need to change the sport, but one person not racing because they need to change it, well, theyre not going to miss you.harsh but true.

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post #30 of 52 Old 06-19-2010, 04:53 PM
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There isn't one discipline out there that doesn't have some sort of bad training technique attached to it. There are good horse racing farms out there and there are bad.

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