>>>>I ride western and I have yet to find sorrel a broad term for red horses, most I know, know the difference.Sorrel is not just a western term nor was it developed by western riders, it came across the sea like the rest of 'em. If you want to get really western you don't use sorrel or chestnut, you call it a red horse regardless of mane color, it is red...
I didn't mean used by those RIDING western, I meant use of the word in "The West". I lived in Utah for 14 years-- unless you had Arabs or TBs, chances are, you called red horses sorrel, even if you rode English. (but then who rides English in UT unless you have an Arab or TB--- JK JK JK
) >>>> It is also explained this way in Cherry Hills books on basic horsemanship.
And Cherry Hill is entitled to her/his opinion/experience just like every other horse person is. Although I daresay the 'ol cowboys "out west" that called all their red horses sorrel regardless of mane or tail color
(Y'know, like the famous progenitor of the QH breed, Old Sorrel, foaled in 1915 and definitely not flaxen) had been alive longer than Cherry Hill and wouldn't take kindly to being told that a comparatively recent book was right and they and their pappys' and grandpappys' ways were wrong..... >>>>Technically a chestnut has more true red pigment to its hair than a sorrel(they tend to be more strawberry colored...), and due to a dilution gene that also causes the light mane and tail, a sorrel has a more more "orangey" naturally occuring coat.
OK then just to throw a wrench into the above, what would you call this? Because I would call it a flaxen chestnut----
....While this one could arguably be a flaxen sorrel (If I used any other term besides chestnut-- I tend to use chestnut for all of them and just add the M/T color if it is significantly different).... .
The above would sort of follow the AQHA and APHA registry definitions. (Chestnut being dark or brownish red, sorrel being reddish or copper red-- regardless of M/T color)
But your definition of chestnut is more like this one then?
But you also said, >>>>>Sorrel has lighter mane and tail. Chestnut has same or slightly darker mane and tail.Period. It all has to do with the mane and tail color, not the body color at all(besides that it is red of course)
OK so this first one is chestnut (M/T same as body)--------but these next 2 guys are sorrel strictly on M/T color?