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        12-13-2012, 10:44 PM
      #91
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by DraftGuy    
    Got it! So because "pinto" encompasses a description of a set of colorings like tobiano, sabino, paint, splash, etc... He is "pinto" in color. Whereas because "Paints" are an actual breed, he cannot be a paint unless his lineage supports a sire who was a paint, regardless of whether the sire (hypothetical paint sire) was pinto or solid.

    Sound right?

    So what would I call him? Just a percheron cross?
    Yep! And that's what I'd call him.

    And MissyMay, Paints are their own breed. They do have a lot of interbreeding with QHs and TBs, but tobiano doesn't exist in either of those breeds, so they are their own distinguished breed.
         
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        12-13-2012, 10:44 PM
      #92
    CCH
    Weanling
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    So what would I call him? Just a percheron cross?
    For $80 (until December 31st) you can buy the colt Pinto papers from the PtHA. These would be beneficial for his life by providing a history, proof of ownership, and show opportunities. I'd say it is worth the money and would give him some added value over a grade horse of similar level.
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        12-13-2012, 10:45 PM
      #93
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DraftGuy    
    Got it! So because "pinto" encompasses a description of a set of colorings like tobiano, sabino, paint, splash, etc... He is "pinto" in color. Whereas because "Paints" are an actual breed, he cannot be a paint unless his lineage supports a sire who was a paint, regardless of whether the sire (hypothetical paint sire) was pinto or solid.

    Sound right?

    So what would I call him? Just a percheron cross?
    Yes, sounds right. But I would always call him a percheron x, and add pinto if I wanted to be more descriptive. Idk, I have a haffie, I call her the little hoodlum and everyone seems to know who I am talking about. :)
         
        12-13-2012, 10:49 PM
      #94
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    CCH, can he get PtHA papers if he has no knowledge of the sire? Or would he just get some kind of hardship papers as a gelding?
         
        12-13-2012, 10:51 PM
      #95
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    Originally Posted by Poseidon    
    Yep! And that's what I'd call him.

    And MissyMay, Paints are their own breed. They do have a lot of interbreeding with QHs and TBs, but tobiano doesn't exist in either of those breeds, so they are their own distinguished breed.
    I won't argue, never owned one. I was just going by those I have known that had white throw back on QH colts, they said (now, I didn't follow them, take pics, notes, and have it certified) they could register them as paints, b/c the AQHA didn't allow it (this might have changed).
         
        12-13-2012, 10:54 PM
      #96
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by CCH    
    For $80 (until December 31st) you can buy the colt Pinto papers from the PtHA. These would be beneficial for his life by providing a history, proof of ownership, and show opportunities. I'd say it is worth the money and would give him some added value over a grade horse of similar level.
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    Would you be able to point me in the right direction? I might do this just for the heck of it. I was just looking at the PtHA FAQ section on pinto.org, but that didn't really go into detail about the fee's and deadlines and said nothing at all about parent lineage or anything.
         
        12-13-2012, 10:59 PM
      #97
    CCH
    Weanling
    By my reading of the rules, I would say yes, he would qualify for undocumented papers under the utility category because he has enough white.

    And I am mistaken on the cost :( it would be $165 ($125 for undocumented and $40 for membership) no need to worry about December 31 age cutoff for undocumented horses.

    http://www.pinto.org/information/12_registration.pdf
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        12-13-2012, 11:07 PM
      #98
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Poseidon    
    I'm just saying it is far easier for everyone to understand what you're meaning by saying "a black horse is either Ee or EE and does not carry agouti" rather than getting into dominant genes because it makes it sound more complicated than it is.
    Perhaps it would have been. But, I have already stated in clear english the main point to my initial post was to admire the OP's surprise and mare - and I assumed most people would understand what I meant. I did not "get into' dominance/rec E / a in that post, I replied to someone that did. You appear to feel it necessary to direct how I state things, as well as misrepresent what I have said. It's curious, at best.
         
        12-13-2012, 11:08 PM
      #99
    CCH
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by DraftGuy    
    Would you be able to point me in the right direction? I might do this just for the heck of it. I was just looking at the PtHA FAQ section on pinto.org, but that didn't really go into detail about the fee's and deadlines and said nothing at all about parent lineage or anything.
    It's really easy. Fill out the membership and registration forms, use a credit/debit card, and take 4 digital photos, then you can send all the palerwork and photos by email to photos@pinto.org using the requested name as the subject line. They will send the papers in about a month.

    Since he is a gelding they should accept him under undocumented utility/drum. I would not volunteer that his dam might be Percheron (for all you know it could be an embryo transfer since you didn't witness the breeding and she may not even be100% Percheron)
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        12-14-2012, 10:39 AM
      #100
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    My gelding is a percheron/paint cross (I know his lineage and his sire is APHA registered) and I was told he could not be registered with the PtHA because he is half draft. I was led to believe he could only be registered with the American Warmblood Society.
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