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  • Will bredding a pure breed with a different breed muddy the lineage

 
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    05-30-2008, 11:55 PM
  #1
Foal
Is this true?

I can't remember which teacher told me but apparently the more mixed our bloodlines are the healthier and stronger we are as people. It makes sense seeing as ******ation occurs with insest. But I was just wondering if the same goes with horses then because I just always thought of purebreds as hardy and healthy - such as Arabs, Shetlands and Icelandics. If you compare the nearly 'man-mad' thoroughbreds to Arabs, they don't stand a chance out in the wild.

Any thoughts?
     
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    05-30-2008, 11:57 PM
  #2
Started
I think you do have a point. I find the same with dogs. The purebred ones are seen as "stupider" I guess, as compared to a "mutt."
     
    05-31-2008, 06:08 AM
  #3
Foal
My dogs are purebred and they only pretend to be dumber! J/k! They do have a few genetic issues though that really only come from being purebred. I think a bigger issue with all animals is stuff like linebreeding - which I know in dogs at least is not considered "inbreeding" even though it kind of is. Basically if you keep using the same bad dna to make copies of itself then you will get the same weaknesses over and over again. So yeah I think especially in horses it should be taken into much greater consideration sometimes. People sometimes go for the fancy pedigree and the names on it, when maybe they should be looking strictly into what's going on medically and genetically when they go to breed. Champion this, number one that, blah blah blah, those are all good to have, but what after that title was won? The chipped knees, colic a million times, messed up hooves...ya know what I mean I think...Oh and I am NOT saying all people do that, just some. Most people are becoming more conscientious about it I think.
     
    05-31-2008, 07:14 AM
  #4
Trained
Well, 'line breeding' is inbreeding, just a different name that breeders put on it so it sounds nicer when you get what appears to be a good result. Don't forget...you don't hear about the bad results that are 'culled out'. I know many breeders that refuse to line breed because they prefer the genetic diversity over the risk of offspring with undesirable (or bad) physical/health traits that may occur. So...I believe it depends on the blood line's breeding, the breed itself, and genetic 'luck'. Our 3 Paint mares all have excellent blood lines off champion Paint/QH stock (no line breeding in at least the last 4 generations) and all have good dispositions, great feet/no physical problems, never colic, smart, willing, easy keepers that are great trail horses...and this includes 'Lady' (left in the picture) who is in the "Impressive" bloodline (subject of all the HYPP genetic discussions).
     
    05-31-2008, 07:35 AM
  #5
Foal
Much more eloquent then me PaintHorseMares!! Totally better put !
     
    05-31-2008, 07:55 AM
  #6
Trained
Alstaxidermy, thanks!

One last thought when it comes to 'smart', at least in horses....we need to remember not to confuse 'smart' with 'experienced'. I've ridden many green broke horses that typically will be hesitant/unsure/unwilling when faced with something new...a ditch of muddy water, a wooden bridge, etc. Some horse people I know think that's a 'bad/dumb' horse...I think that's a 'smart' horse...without experience, would you step into a ditch of muddy water where you could not see the bottom? When loping along, I would rather be on a horse thinking about where he's going than just blindly going in the direction that I want.
     
    05-31-2008, 08:19 AM
  #7
Foal
Re: Is this true?

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Originally Posted by shorty
I can't remember which teacher told me but apparently the more mixed our bloodlines are the healthier and stronger we are as people. It makes sense seeing as ******ation occurs with insest. But I was just wondering if the same goes with horses then because I just always thought of purebreds as hardy and healthy - such as Arabs, Shetlands and Icelandics. If you compare the nearly 'man-mad' thoroughbreds to Arabs, they don't stand a chance out in the wild.

Any thoughts?
it is true. Inbreeding is common within most registered breeds. I do disagree, though with the Arabs Vs the Thouroghbreds, Arabs are far more inclined to be inbred than Thouroghbreds, because of the lineage available for breeding.
     
    05-31-2008, 09:14 AM
  #8
Foal
Re: Is this true?

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Originally Posted by hrsefrm2

It is true. Inbreeding is common within most registered breeds. I do disagree, though with the Arabs Vs the Thouroghbreds, Arabs are far more inclined to be inbred than Thouroghbreds, because of the lineage available for breeding.
Maybe I got mixed up between two different discussions here a bit. If we seperate the topic of "inbreeding" and "purebred" for a minute I will try and rephrase my Arab vs Thoroughbred.

I think what I was trying to get at is that if a spanish person has children with an alaskan person and then that baby grows up and marries a Australian then the bloodline gets stronger and healthier (aparently). But then I compared that to horses and naturally I think of Arabs as the purest breed (not contaminated with any other breed but quite possibly brothers and sisters etc) and they are extremely hardy and healthy compared to Thoroughbreds which would most likely die in a month if set free in the outback (I might be wrong).

I tried lol :P
     
    05-31-2008, 09:18 AM
  #9
Foal
SO what I was thinking is that what my teacher said sort of conflicts with the horsey word. But people are bringing up good conversations.
     
    05-31-2008, 09:29 AM
  #10
Showing
Hmm that's a good point. ;)
     

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